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ali
03-21-2008, 03:35 PM
In the Qur'an, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described in the following terms:

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

The word "heaven," as stated in the verse above, is used in various places in the Qur'an. It is referring to space and the wider universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning, stating that the universe "expands." The Arabic word "moosiaaoona" in the term "inna lamoosiaaoona," translated into English as "it is We Who are steadily expanding it", comes from the verb "evsea," meaning "to expand." The prefix "la" emphasises the following name or title and adds a sense of "to a great extent." This expression therefore means "We expand the sky or the universe to a great extent." This is the very conclusion that science has reached today. 1

Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time." However, modern research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning and that it constantly "expands."

At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.

This notion was confirmed by the use of observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. This discovery is regarded as one of the greatest in the history of astronomy. During these observations, Hubble established that the stars emit a light that turns redder according to their distance. That is because according to the known laws of physics, light heading towards a point of observation turns violet, and light moving away from that point assumes a more reddish hue. During his observations, Hubble noted a tendency towards the colour red in the light emitted by stars. In short, the stars were moving further and further away, all the time. The stars and galaxies were not only moving away from us, but also from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding.

In order to gain a clearer understanding of this, let us imagine the universe to be the surface of a balloon being inflated. In the same way that the more the balloon is inflated, the further away the points on its surface move from one another, celestial bodies also move away from one another as the universe expands. This was theoretically discovered by Albert Einstein, regarded as one of the greatest scientists of the 20th century. However, in order to avoid violating the "static universe model" that was generally accepted at that time, Einstein laid that discovery aside. He would later describe this as the greatest blunder of his life. 2

This fact was explained in the Qur'an in a time when telescopes and similar technological advancements were not even close to being invented. This is because the Qur'an is the Word of Allah: the Creator and Ruler of the entire universe.

1. S. Waqar Ahmed Husaini, The Quran for Astronomy and Earth Exploration from Space 3rd ed. (New Delhi: Goodword Press: 1999), 103-108.
2. www.time.com/time/time100/scientist/profile/hubble.html.

Enver
03-23-2008, 05:09 PM
Very interesting.

Viv
03-23-2008, 05:31 PM
Fascinating.

There are many ancient texts though, which demonstrate a knowledge of science which we are only beginning to recover an understanding of. I am not sure I accept this one has the knowledge because it was dictated by the creator...

Is it accurate that Arabic was the language of scientific study from early times?

Al Fatiha
03-23-2008, 06:08 PM
Fascinating.

There are many ancient texts though, which demonstrate a knowledge of science which we are only beginning to recover an understanding of. I am not sure I accept this one has the knowledge because it was dictated by the creator...

Is it accurate that Arabic was the language of scientific study from early times?
After the fall of the Roman Empire, europe fell into decline and descended into the period known as the Dark Ages.

During this same time period, the Muslims of the Middle East had gathered up the ancient Greek and Roman scientific writtings and books, and translated them into Arabic.

Expanding on the knowledge of the scientific writtings they had translated. Islamic culture then went into a golden age of scientific discovery and invention.

This lasted for several hundred years, untill wars and political infighting caused the Islamic Empire to start to fall into decline; which has continued right up to today.

During this changing of fortunes between Western and Islamic civilizations.

European scholars went to the Middle East, learned to read and write Arabic, and then translated the ancient books into the languages of the countries they represented; mainly English, French, Spanish, and German.

Armed with all of this new scientific knowledge, Europe embarked on a scientific revolution, that has continued right up into modern times.

Viv
03-23-2008, 06:19 PM
After the fall of the Roman Empire, europe fell into decline and descended into the period known as the Dark Ages.

During this same time period, the Muslims of the Middle East had gathered up the ancient Greek and Roman scientific writtings and books, and translated them into Arabic.

Expanding on the knowledge of the scientific writtings they had translated. Islamic culture then went into a golden age of scientific discovery and invention.

This lasted for several hundred years, untill wars and political infighting caused the Islamic Empire to start to fall into decline; which has continued right up to today.

During this changing of fortunes between Western and Islamic civilizations.

European scholars went to the Middle East, learned to read and write Arabic, and then translated the ancient books into the languages of the countries they represented; mainly English, French, Spanish, and German.

Armed with all of this new scientific knowledge, Europe embarked on a scientific revolution, that has continued right up into modern times.

So each ethnicity has played a part in recording, carrying and building on the knowledge which now benefits all of us...thank you Al :)

But we should all be capable of continuing to develop scientifically - historically, access to those texts was presumably restricted to exclusive groups of scholars within a linguistic group. Today though, much information must be accessible to anyone, via internet and other means of communication.

ali
03-23-2008, 06:59 PM
Fascinating.

There are many ancient texts though, which demonstrate a knowledge of science which we are only beginning to recover an understanding of. I am not sure I accept this one has the knowledge because it was dictated by the creator...

Is it accurate that Arabic was the language of scientific study from early times?

I cant see how 1500 years ago they would have had the scientific knowledge to know the universe was expanding. Mohammed was an illiterate yet the Quran contains such knowledge as above and much much more. For example it tells us that everyone has unique fingerprints, something not known to several hundred years ago in Iran and only confirmed in the 19th century in the west.

Viv
03-23-2008, 07:18 PM
I cant see how 1500 years ago they would have had the scientific knowledge to know the universe was expanding. Mohammed was an illiterate yet the Quran contains such knowledge as above and much much more. For example it tells us that everyone has unique fingerprints, something not known to several hundred years ago in Iran and only confirmed in the 19th century in the west.

Knowledge is discovered and lost and rediscovered...it happens.

Your premise requires me to do what? Believe in the guy in the sky. I do not.

It has no logic. The book was written by a(n admittedly intelligent) guy living in a cave with a goat. I do not intend offence, that is simply the most likely answer IMO.

Al Fatiha
03-23-2008, 07:23 PM
The book was written by a(n admittedly intelligent) guy living in a cave with a goat.
You really sound stupid. Muhammad never lived in a cave.

Viv
03-23-2008, 07:28 PM
You really sound stupid. Muhammad never lived in a cave.

I apologise Al. It is not the best way to word it. But I cannot accept the premise that it was written by anything other than human hand and from human inspiration.

Where did he live, btw?

quirk
03-23-2008, 07:29 PM
You really sound stupid. Muhammad never lived in a cave.

I am actually reading an online biography of Muhammad at the moment. Any one who is interested can find it here:http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MH_LM/default.htm

Viv
03-23-2008, 07:30 PM
I will read it Quirk, thanks.

Al Fatiha
03-23-2008, 07:53 PM
I apologise Al. It is not the best way to word it. But I cannot accept the premise that it was written by anything other than human hand and from human inspiration.

Where did he live, btw?I came across a little too strong also, but I do veiw you as a highly intelligent woman.

Muhammad lived the first 40 some years of his life in Mecca, and later moved to Madina where he spent the rest of his life.


I always recomend the book "Muhammad" by Karen Armstrong for those interested in Islam. She is a non muslim British scholar. The book is a great read and the best I know of.

To understand Islam, you must have knowledge of the Qur'an. And to understand the Qur'an, you have to find out about the life of Muhammad. and the political/religious turmoil that he grew up in.

Her book puts all 3 subjects togerher in a concise format.

Reading it will greatly help in understanding Islam and the Muslims today.

quirk
03-23-2008, 07:55 PM
I have read her short history of Islam which was quite good.

Viv
03-23-2008, 08:01 PM
I came across a little too strong also, but I do veiw you as a highly intelligent woman.

Muhammad lived the first 40 some years of his life in Mecca, and later moved to Madina where he spent the rest of his life.


I always recomend the book "Muhammad" by Karen Armstrong for those interested in Islam. She is a non muslim British scholar. The book is a great read and the best I know of.

To understand Islam, you must have knowledge of the Qur'an. And to understand the Qur'an, you have to find out about the life of Muhammad. and the political/religious turmoil that he grew up in.

Her book puts all 3 subjects togerher in a concise format.

Reading it will greatly help in understanding Islam and the Muslims today.

Ordered from Amazon...thank you.

Al Fatiha
03-23-2008, 08:02 PM
I have read her short history of Islam which was quite good.Yes, she has written several good books on the 3 monotheistic religions and the middle east.

ali
03-28-2008, 01:27 AM
As we have stated above, the creation of the universe began with a huge explosion. From this point, the universe has been expanding ever since. Scientists say that when the mass of the universe has reached a sufficient level, this expansion will come to an end because of gravity, causing the universe to collapse in on itself. 3

It is also believed that the contracting universe will end in a fierce heat and contraction known as the "Big Crunch." This would lead to the end of all forms of life as we know them. Renata Kallosh and Andrei Linde, professors of physics from Stanford University, made the following statements on the subject:

The universe may be doomed to collapse and disappear. Everything we see now, and at a much larger distance that we cannot see, will collapse into a point smaller than a proton. Locally, it will be the same as if you were inside a black hole... We have found that some of the best attempts to describe dark energy predict that it will gradually become negative, which will cause the universe to become unstable, then collapse... Physicists have known that dark energy could become negative and the universe could collapse sometime in the very distant future... but now we see that we might be, not in the beginning, but in the middle of the life cycle of our universe. 4

This is how this scientific hypothesis of the Big Crunch is indicated in the Qur'an:

That Day We will fold up heaven like folding up the pages of a book. As We originated the first creation so We will regenerate it. It is a promise binding on Us. That is what We will do. (Qur'an, 21:104)

In another verse, this state of the heavens is described thus:

They do not measure Allah with His true measure. The whole earth will be a mere handful for Him on the Day of Rising the heavens folded up in His right hand. Glory be to Him! He is exalted above the partners they ascribe! (Qur'an, 39:67)

According to the Big Crunch theory, the universe will begin to collapse slowly and will then increasingly pick up speed. At the end of the process the universe will have infinite density and be infinitely hot and small. This scientific theory runs parallel to the Qur'anic explanation of this particular scientific concept. (Allah knows best)

3. Philip Ball, "Black Crunch Jams Universal Cycle," Nature, 23 December 2002; Dr. David Whitehouse, "Universe is 'doomed to collapse'," BBC News Online, 22 October 2002, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2346907.stm; and Mark Schwartz, "Cosmic 'big crunch' could trigger an early demise of our universe," Stanford Report, 25 September 2002.
4. Schwartz, "Cosmic 'big crunch' could trigger an early demise of our universe,"

Don melQuiades
03-28-2008, 01:31 AM
The Bible gets lucky sometimes too.

ali
03-28-2008, 01:34 AM
This isnt lucky. The Quran has many more examples like this. Yes someone might get lucky once but not on so many different times.