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Viv
03-23-2008, 10:36 AM
BBC News, Rome

The Vatican has updated the traditional seven deadly sins by adding seven modern mortal sins it claims are becoming prevalent in what it calls an era of "unstoppable globalisation".

Those newly risking eternal punishment include drug pushers, the obscenely wealthy, and scientists who manipulate human genes. So "thou shalt not carry out morally dubious scientific experiments" or "thou shalt not pollute the earth" might one day be added to the Ten Commandments.

MODERN EVILS

Environmental pollution
Genetic manipulation
Accumulating excessive wealth
Inflicting poverty
Drug trafficking and consumption
Morally debatable experiments
Violation of fundamental rights of human nature
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that "immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell".

The new mortal sins were listed by Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti at the end of a week-long training seminar in Rome for priests, aimed at encouraging a revival of the practice of confession - or the Sacrament of Penance in Church jargon.

According to a survey carried out here 10 years ago by the Catholic University, 60% of Italians have stopped going to confession altogether. The situation has certainly not improved during the past decade.

Catholics are supposed to confess their sins to a priest at least once a year. The priest absolves them in God's name.

...In an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Archbishop Girotti said he thought the most dangerous areas for committing new types of sins lay in the fields of bio-ethics and ecology.

He also named abortion and paedophilia as two of the greatest sins of our times. The archbishop brushed off cases of sexual violence against minors committed by priests as "exaggerations by the mass media aimed at discrediting the Church".

ORIGINAL DEADLY SINS

Pride
Envy
Gluttony
Lust
Anger
Greed
Sloth

..."I think the major point is that priests who are hearing confessions are not sufficiently attuned to some of the real evils in our world," he told the BBC News website. "They need to be more aware today of the social face of sin - the inequalities at the social level. They think of sin too much on an individual level.

"I think priests who hear confession should have a deeper sense of the violence and injustice of such problems - and the fact that people collaborate simply by doing nothing. One of the original deadly sins is sloth - disengagement and not getting involved," Father O'Collins said. The Jesuit professor now teaches at St Mary's University in Twickenham. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7287071.stm

I found this pretty interesting reading.

I suspect the Catholic church has always been heavily into accumulation of excessive wealth...

I do like Father O'Collins' statement (in bold) about the lack of involvement and that is a key issue for society IMO. People are simply disengaged from many of the social issues, possibly because modern life is just too fast-paced, possibly because materialism is prevalent?

Do posters think the new sins are relevant?

ali
03-23-2008, 12:36 PM
I think it is very relevant although i don't think the Catholic Church saying so will make an actual difference or make people think twice as those who commit such acts would usually not be the most moral and upright of people. However well done to them for raising the issue.

Gareth
03-23-2008, 01:20 PM
I think that sins are equal. There is no worse sin, and there is no Biblical reason for suggesting that some sins are better / worse than others as the case may be.

quirk
03-23-2008, 01:24 PM
Would breaking the 10 commandments not be worse?

Gareth
03-23-2008, 02:30 PM
quirk: I don't know where the notion of the 10 commandments being more important than any other command in the Bible came from. There are over 20 commandments in the Sermon of the Mount (Matthew 5 - 7) which are deemed pivotal to the Christian faith, and then we have the letters of Paul with laws for leading peopel to a Christian life. Remember antiquity does not make commandments better than another.

Phædrus
03-23-2008, 03:16 PM
I think the biggest sin of modern Christianity is proselytizing.

Viv
03-23-2008, 03:48 PM
I think the biggest sin of modern Christianity is proselytizing.

It is one of the biggest...and least justifiable IMO. Causing wars and suffering to try to force others to live by your beliefs is reprehensible. There are far more positive and worthwhile aims to strive for.

It has been done throughout history, it's not a modern sin, but it is one which does really resonate because of the current situation.

bay
03-23-2008, 03:54 PM
I agree that those modern sins are dastardly, but my guess is the vatican is guilty of almost every one of them. talk about accumulating massive wealth.

again why I'm spiritual and not religious. It's my job to live my life in harmony with the earth and leave my corner better than I found it. My life's work is environment and ecology, speaking of which, I need to quit playing on forums and get back to work.

Gareth
03-23-2008, 04:21 PM
I disagree proselytizing is a right of religions to have in this country and in most countries. Forcing people to a religion is illegal, and punishable in this country. Infact in Ireland there was a case brought against the Church of Scientology.

bay
03-23-2008, 07:49 PM
prosteltyzing is a right, of sorts, but like all rights, mine end where the next person's begin. I've got the right not to be prosteletyzed to!

Enver
03-23-2008, 08:14 PM
prosteltyzing is a right, of sorts, but like all rights, mine end where the next person's begin. I've got the right not to be prosteletyzed to!

Exactly.

Gareth
03-23-2008, 10:55 PM
If you do not wish to hear any religious evangelism merely say so, then they are compelled by law to leave you be.

However I like the people I have met in the street arguing for religion, meeting Hare Krishnas and discussing faith is highly interesting and productive.

bay
03-26-2008, 03:35 AM
I guess Gareth ,I don't like arguing. Debating religion is like debating politics and everyone is entrenched and no one changes anyone's minds. The saved talk to the saved.

I used to preach the gospel of ecology and caring for the earth, but I guess I'm battle weary.

now I prefer to just do what is right and let everyone see by my example. If they think I'm living and doing right, that's cool, if they think i'm an idiot, that's cool too.

I've finally learned that I can't make anyone else think, say or do anything because I want them to.

haha, if I could, I'd be on a plane to Ireland tomorrow, LOL...

SVTman
03-27-2008, 12:59 AM
i am a christian and i would say that sadly the roman catholic church as become a politicaly correct church. the things they say and do are said and done to make sure that everyone likes them. they are said and done so that people will not think badly of them. they conform to what the world wants to hear. it is sad becuase this is not what Christ said we should do. we are not here please people. we are here to let them know that Chris died for there sins. and no one likes hearing that. me included. no one likes hearing that they are sinner.

An Céachta Dearg
03-27-2008, 01:09 AM
i am a christian and i would say that sadly the roman catholic church as become a politicaly correct church. the things they say and do are said and done to make sure that everyone likes them. they are said and done so that people will not think badly of them. they conform to what the world wants to hear. it is sad becuase this is not what Christ said we should do. we are not here please people. we are here to let them know that Chris died for there sins. and no one likes hearing that. me included. no one likes hearing that they are sinner.


Sorry under scrutiny your claims do not hold up. Before I proceed I must point out I'm coming at this from an atheists perspective.

Politically Correct no they are not. They stand by their teachings and believes even in contemporary society. The church are very critical of the following social norms Divorce. Abortion(in most countries, not in Ireland though), The act of homosexuality( they are not against gay people just the just basically single sex intercourse), Stem cell research, Sex before marriage. These are but a few examples so Im sorry but your claims just dont hold water.

BlackBaron
04-01-2008, 09:24 AM
Sorry under scrutiny your claims do not hold up. Before I proceed I must point out I'm coming at this from an atheists perspective.

Politically Correct no they are not. They stand by their teachings and believes even in contemporary society. The church are very critical of the following social norms Divorce. Abortion(in most countries, not in Ireland though), The act of homosexuality( they are not against gay people just the just basically single sex intercourse), Stem cell research, Sex before marriage. These are but a few examples so Im sorry but your claims just dont hold water.

Do you have any idea how "tolerant" and "post-modern" most RC priests now are?