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An Céachta Dearg
03-24-2008, 11:37 PM
The Taoiseach's brother has said he sees no reason why Bertie Ahern should step down before the end of his current term in office.

Noel Ahern said he was not troubled by last week's evidence at the Mahon tribunal in which new disclosures emerged about sterling lodgements to Bertie Ahern's building society account.

He criticised what he called the 'anti-Bertie brigade' in the media and said there seemed to be a campaign in media against his brother and anyone that has anything to do with him is 'fair game'.

Mr Ahern was also critical of last week's evidence saying that the Taoiseach's former secretary Gráinne Carruth was humiliated and bullied and said he believed there was a simple excuse behind the conflicting evidence. He told RTE's News At One , that the Quarryvale module had been turned into the 'Bertie Ahern module' and a "huge analysis of Bertie's life".

Noel Ahern said it was very difficult for anyone to remember every single detail and that his brother had spent many nights trying to reconcile his finances and if he got it wrong on one occasion "so what?"

"You're not talking about millions, you're talking about lodgements of £3,000 or £4,000. Small money relatively", he said.

Earlier a Government spokesman said the Taoiseach will deal with issues raised in the Mahon tribunal at the tribunal itself.

A report in today's Irish Times suggested that Mr Ahern may respond later this week to the new disclosures that emerged at the tribunal.

The spokesman said Mr Ahern continued to maintain that he will deal with Mahon issues at the Mahon tribunal, a view shared by Cork Fianna Fáil TD Noel O'Flynn, who described recent media speculation over the Mr Ahern's future in office as trial by media.

Speaking on RTE's Morning Ireland , the Chairman of the Oireachtas Ethics Committee said "our leader of our party will not be driven out of office by the media. It will be the Parliamentary Party who will make the decisions, if they are decisions to be made".

"The Taoiseach has made it clear through his own spokesman that he will be able to clarify matters when he returns to the tribunal. I think in the interests of natural justice that we should allow the tribunal to do its work", Mr O'Flynn added.

However, Louth Fianna Fáil councillor Frank Maher said last week's evidence at the Tribunal regarding sterling lodgements had raised some unsettling questions. He said that, in his opinion, it was logical that a new leader should be place for next year's local and European elections.

Mr Maher said the Taoiseach has some issues to deal with, particularly the upcoming referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and his address to the Congress, but should use the summer to "allow a time for reflection" and consider stepping down.

He added that it was crucial that Mr Ahern appear at the tribunal as quickly as possible to clear up the unsettling questions raised last week.

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Enver
03-25-2008, 12:02 AM
"CAB GO AFTER BERTIE"

"NO TAX CERT, NO JOB!"

Saw that sprayed on a wall near Croke Park today.

An Céachta Dearg
03-25-2008, 12:10 AM
"CAB GO AFTER BERTIE"

"NO TAX CERT, NO JOB!"

Saw that sprayed on a wall near Croke Park today.


It's a pity it's not the C.A.B leading this investigation into Mr. Aherns finances, as it would become a criminal case at that point. The Mahon Tribunal is unfortunately not a criminal investigation but is thankfully revealing the lingering corruption in Irish government. The futile attempts at trying to have the tribunal just prove that Ahern and FF have a lot of skeletons in their closet

Diuretic
03-25-2008, 11:01 AM
C.A.B.? Is that part of the Gardai?

Gareth
03-25-2008, 11:21 AM
C.A.B.? Is that part of the Gardai?

Yes, they are the Criminal Assets Bureau.

However, I think Bertie has done more good than bad for this state and I don't think he has a reason to step down either to be honest with you.

An Céachta Dearg
03-25-2008, 01:48 PM
Yes, they are the Criminal Assets Bureau.

However, I think Bertie has done more good than bad for this state and I don't think he has a reason to step down either to be honest with you.

Sorry but what exactly has Bertie done. Granted I will give you the Belfast Agreement and the peace process in the north. However the economic upturn was bound to happen when it did anyway. Were a well educated English speaking country with full access to the European Economic Community. Aside from that the economy is built upon foreign investment chiefly American. Which means now that Wall Street is in recession we're pretty much f****d. Investment in public services is now at its lowest level since the 60's. Classroom sizes have n improved since 1999. Our health system is in disarray with those irrelevant PDs getting far to much power in porportion to their mandate. The health system is now two-tiered and is quickly becoming more and more unaffordable. On top of this more people in Ireland now live on or below the poverty line than they did in the 70's and 80's yes the 80's when we were a 3rd world country.

Also I'm sick and tired of FF criminals getting off scot free, we seen this with Charlie Haughey, are we now going to see it with Bertie too? Here's hoping justice will be done. If he is found innocent by the end of it I will support that, just as long as a proper and fair investigation goes into it.

Enver
03-25-2008, 03:51 PM
Sorry but what exactly has Bertie done. Granted I will give you the Belfast Agreement and the peace process in the north.

The copper-fastening of the usurpation of Irish national sovereignty is a positive thing? What kind of socialist are you? Not an anti-imperialist one it would seem.

However the economic upturn was bound to happen when it did anyway. Were a well educated English speaking country with full access to the European Economic Community.

Certainly, once neo-liberal economic policies were applied in Ireland it would inevitably bring about huge US investment, but at quite a price.

Aside from that the economy is built upon foreign investment chiefly American. Which means now that Wall Street is in recession we're pretty much f****d. Investment in public services is now at its lowest level since the 60's. Classroom sizes have n improved since 1999. Our health system is in disarray with those irrelevant PDs getting far to much power in porportion to their mandate. The health system is now two-tiered and is quickly becoming more and more unaffordable. On top of this more people in Ireland now live on or below the poverty line than they did in the 70's and 80's yes the 80's when we were a 3rd world country.

I completely agree with that analysis. I wasn't aware that the poverty level had increased. Do you mean that in terms of the number of people living in poverty or is that relative to the overall increase in population, which is naturally far worse?

Also I'm sick and tired of FF criminals getting off scot free, we seen this with Charlie Haughey, are we now going to see it with Bertie too? Here's hoping justice will be done. If he is found innocent by the end of it I will support that, just as long as a proper and fair investigation goes into it.

Again, I agree.

An Céachta Dearg
03-25-2008, 05:16 PM
The copper-fastening of the usurpation of Irish national sovereignty is a positive thing? What kind of socialist are you? Not an anti-imperialist one it would seem.

In relation to what I said about the GFA, it will be marked down as both Bertie Aherns and Tony Blairs greatest personal achievments whislt in their respective terms of government. There many aspects of the Agreement I disagree with obvioudly, however it did bring about the end of a stalemate war in which neither side could defeat the other and was resulting in needless civilian casulities both in terms of collusion and accidental deaths of civilians from bombing campaigns etc.

As to being anti-imperielist that I'am and quite strongly granted my first comment on the GFA was a fairly moderate one. The fact now however is witht the agreement the RM is probably closer than ever to removing the British from Irish institutions however this is going to be in the long term.

But the argunt on the GFA is for another day lol

Enver
03-26-2008, 04:28 PM
But the argunt on the GFA is for another day lol

Let's have one here....

http://worldagenda.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2536#post2536

Gareth
03-26-2008, 06:25 PM
TheRedPlough: Bertie has furthered the Peace Process in Northern Ireland more than any previous Taoiseach. I think that's commendable.

An Céachta Dearg
03-26-2008, 06:29 PM
Let's have one here....

http://worldagenda.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2536#post2536

We can never escape this one can we.

An Céachta Dearg
03-26-2008, 06:32 PM
TheRedPlough: Bertie has furthered the Peace Process in Northern Ireland more than any previous Taoiseach. I think that's commendable.


Gareth I agree. In fairness to Bertie I think he was the first Taoiseach brave enough to involve himself in Northern Ireland as most of the previous ones such as Lynch andFitzgerald just buried their heads in the sand and ignored the 6 counties.

However this does not make up for the many shortcomings Bertie has made whilst in government and of course his unethical actions whilst he was fance minister. It appears that he is a tax evader and should be treated as such.

Gareth
03-26-2008, 06:41 PM
I think Berties value was far greater than his weakness.

An Céachta Dearg
03-26-2008, 06:54 PM
I think Berties value was far greater than his weakness.

Disagree again. Bertie has built a faux economy on the back of foreign investment and is now trying to block the course of democracy by trying to have the Mahon Tribunal stalled