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Viv
04-07-2008, 08:33 PM
Should we be boycotting the Olympics to protest against Chinese civil right abuses?

What do you think of China's record in this respect?

Does it compare poorly with that of other countries?

How should this be contested and how should China be encouraged to see reason on this subject?

Gordon Brown has said he will not boycott the Beijing Olympics because the Dalai Lama opposes such action.

The prime minister said the only way for the Chinese and Tibetans to resolve their tensions was through dialogue.

Mr Brown has also resisted calls not to welcome the Olympic torch in Downing Street when it arrives in London.

It comes as four pro-Tibet activists are arrested for abseiling off Westminster Bridge and unveiling a protest banner.

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg had increased the pressure on Mr Brown by telling him not to attend the Games in August or this weekend's torch relay.

Mr Brown's comments come as France's human rights minister has denied setting conditions for President Nicolas Sarkozy's attendance at the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony.

Rama Yade said Le Monde newspaper had misquoted her as listing "conditions" for Mr Sarkozy's presence at the event.

Eighty athletes, entertainers and dignitaries will carry the torch on a 31-mile long journey through London's streets on Sunday as part of its journey to the Beijing 2008 games.

Speaking at a conference of international centre-left leaders, Mr Brown said: "Any violence in China is to be condemned and I do urge restraint all round.

"It is important that we recognise that the tensions between those in Tibet and the Chinese authorities can only in the end be solved by dialogue."

He added: "The Dalai Lama himself says he does not want to see a boycott of the Olympics and that is why I have said that as the host country for the 2012 Olympics I will attend the (Beijing) Olympics as I know many others will do." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7332296.stm

Chookie
04-07-2008, 08:55 PM
Should we be boycotting the Olympics to protest against Chinese civil right abuses?

Yes, undoubtedly. Unfortunately it won't matter.

What do you think of China's record in this respect?

It stinks.

Does it compare poorly with that of other countries?

It's almost on a par with that of the USA.

How should this be contested and how should China be encouraged to see reason on this subject?

Political exclusion? We can't as all the Chinese need to say is that inernal politics are their business.

Economic sanctions? Again we can't, China holds most of Americas foreign debt.

Through publicity? How do we reach the average Chinaman or woman in the street? Chine has applied restrictions on the interweb.

Viv
04-08-2008, 09:52 AM
Yes, undoubtedly. Unfortunately it won't matter.



It stinks.



It's almost on a par with that of the USA.



Political exclusion? We can't as all the Chinese need to say is that inernal politics are their business.

Economic sanctions? Again we can't, China holds most of Americas foreign debt.

Through publicity? How do we reach the average Chinaman or woman in the street? Chine has applied restrictions on the interweb.

This is a lot of can'ts. Do you have any cans?

How did China come to have so much financial hold over the US anyway? :confused:

Enver
04-08-2008, 10:09 AM
Will all of these people be boycotting the next Olympics, London 2012?

If they don't then they're extremely hypocritical.

Something tells me they won't.

Viv
04-08-2008, 12:24 PM
Will all of these people be boycotting the next Olympics, London 2012?

If they don't then they're extremely hypocritical.

Something tells me they won't.

What reasons would there be to boycott London, Enver?

Enver
04-08-2008, 12:50 PM
What reasons would there be to boycott London, Enver?

Why are they proposing a boycott of the Chinese games?

Viv
04-08-2008, 03:29 PM
Why are they proposing a boycott of the Chinese games?

Why don't you enlighten me on your logic and view of that? Or you do not wish to risk a debate?:p

An Céachta Dearg
04-08-2008, 03:34 PM
Why don't you enlighten me on your logic and view of that? Or you do not wish to risk a debate?:p

He is of course Viv reffering to Britians occupation of Ireland

Enver
04-08-2008, 03:59 PM
He is of course Viv reffering to Britians occupation of Ireland

The occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan are far more severe than the British presence in Ireland and, indeed, the Chinese presence in Tibet.

An Céachta Dearg
04-08-2008, 04:03 PM
The occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan are far more severe than the British presence in Ireland and, indeed, the Chinese presence in Tibet.

Great point

Enver
04-08-2008, 04:06 PM
If this boycott principle was applied consistently there wouldn't be many countries left that would be even capable, in logistical terms, of holding the games. That's quite a sobering reflection on the wealthy nations of this world.

Viv
04-08-2008, 04:59 PM
If this boycott principle was applied consistently there wouldn't be many countries left that would be even capable, in logistical terms, of holding the games. That's quite a sobering reflection on the wealthy nations of this world.

So you suggest China's human rights record is on a level with the UK?

An Céachta Dearg
04-08-2008, 05:01 PM
So you suggest China's human rights record is on a level with the UK?


Well the UK are responsible for thousands and thousands of deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq so hes making a very fair point.

Enver
04-08-2008, 05:05 PM
So you suggest China's human rights record is on a level with the UK?

No, of course not.

The UK's is far worse.

Viv
04-08-2008, 06:40 PM
No, of course not.

The UK's is far worse.

Just out of interest, do you have any evidence to support this assertion? Anything I could learn from...

Chookie
04-08-2008, 08:15 PM
How did China come to have so much financial hold over the US anyway?
They have been buying up American debt for years now. With the US "involvement" in Iraq and Afghanistan, the need to spend dollars financing these adventures means that current US debt to other nations is not being serviced. The Chinese are buying up these debts at a reduced price. After all, cash in hand now is better than cash sometime in the future...........

Enver
04-08-2008, 08:48 PM
Just out of interest, do you have any evidence to support this assertion? Anything I could learn from...

Hundreds of thousands of dead Serbians, Afghans and Iraqis, and that's just in the last 10 years.