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Murgi
04-08-2008, 07:02 PM
Reports submitted to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights show that honor killings have occurred in Bangladesh, Great Britain, Brazil, Ecuador, Egypt, India, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Pakistan, Morocco, Sweden, Turkey, and Uganda. However, many countries do not report them.
In India, for example, more than 5,000 brides die annually because their dowries are considered insufficient, according to the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF).
"In countries where Islam is practiced, they're called honor killings, but dowry deaths and so-called crimes of passion have a similar dynamic in that the women are killed by male family members and the crimes are perceived as excusable or understandable," said Widney Brown, former advocacy director for Human Rights Watch.
Early this year two young girls from Louville,Texas, United Sates. Amina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father, Yassir Said, an egyptian immigrant. According to relatives and friends, he did not want them to date. This shows that this barbaric practice can be followed all around the world. Violence against women must stop.
Gareth
04-08-2008, 07:09 PM
This is an utter disgrace.
Chookie
04-08-2008, 08:18 PM
There is no form of honour involved.
This is nothing more than an extreme form of religious bigotry.
quirk
04-08-2008, 08:24 PM
There is no form of honour involved.
This is nothing more than an extreme form of religious bigotry.
It has nothing to do with religion. Where does it call for this in Islam? Honour killing is cultural, not religious.
Enver
04-08-2008, 09:43 PM
A lot of the 'religious persecution' under Hoxha was actually the state targeting this sort of thing. Blood feuds and honour killings were prevalent throughout Albania right up until the early 1960s.
Gareth
04-09-2008, 08:23 AM
A lot of the 'religious persecution' under Hoxha was actually the state targeting this sort of thing. Blood feuds and honour killings were prevalent throughout Albania right up until the early 1960s.
Don't deny that Hoxha persecuted please. Religion was banned. I don't know anywhere as bad as that.
Enver
04-09-2008, 09:02 AM
Don't deny that Hoxha persecuted please. Religion was banned. I don't know anywhere as bad as that.
Do you honestly believe that Albania is better off now than it was 30 yrs ago?
All the good work done by Hoxha in eliminating these backward customs was undone literally over night. Women are once again treated like second class citizens. Traditions like blood feuds and honour killings have also returned, not to mention the fact that the country is now ruled by pro-US criminals and reactionaries that preside over a country that is becoming poorer and poorer.
Gareth
04-09-2008, 09:16 AM
Do you honestly believe that Albania is better off now than it was 30 yrs ago?
All the good work done by Hoxha in eliminating these backward customs was undone literally over night. Women are once again treated like second class citizens. Traditions like blood feuds and honour killings have also returned, not to mention the fact that the country is now ruled by pro-US criminals and reactionaries that preside over a country that is becoming poorer and poorer.
I've actually been to Albania to Shkoder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shkoder), and it is still suffering from the plague that Hoxhas regime brought to it. I have hope it will recover soon. Women in Shkoder seem to be living rather independent lives actually. Importantly people now have freedom of religion.
Enver
04-09-2008, 09:26 AM
I've actually been to Albania to Shkoder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shkoder), and it is still suffering from the plague that Hoxhas regime brought to it. I have hope it will recover soon. Women in Shkoder seem to be living rather independent lives actually. Importantly people now have freedom of religion.
Indeed that is important, but so is adequate health care, housing and a proper education system. You can't deny that under Hoxha there were many beneficial reforms. Do you know if they still have abortion in Albania? I can't find anything about it on the net. Hopefully they do. :D
Gareth
04-09-2008, 09:28 AM
If you hope for the killing of children I would prompt you to rethink your thoughts. 57,000,000 a year is more than the Holocaust 9 times over and that took place for 5 years. Yes, the fall of Hoxhas regime has made it difficult for the Albanians to get up on their own feet, but hopefully they will some day.
Enver
04-09-2008, 09:38 AM
If you hope for the killing of children I would prompt you to rethink your thoughts. 57,000,000 a year is more than the Holocaust 9 times over and that took place for 5 years. Yes, the fall of Hoxhas regime has made it difficult for the Albanians to get up on their own feet, but hopefully they will some day.
If you believe it to be murder do you think doctors who perform abortions and mothers who have them should be imprisoned?
Gareth
04-09-2008, 09:40 AM
if they perform abortions illegally were abortion to be made illegal yes definitely.
Enver
04-09-2008, 10:05 AM
if they perform abortions illegally were abortion to be made illegal yes definitely.
But what if abortions were legal?
Gareth
04-09-2008, 10:12 AM
How can you imprison someone for doing something that is deemed by the State as legal. That's why I support keeping the ban on abortion as is.
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