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Shadow
07-10-2008, 05:04 PM
Get Ready for the Post-SUV World!

By Stan Cox, AlterNet. Posted July 10, 2008.



SUVs and big pickups are waddling off into the sunset, leaving Americans with no more excuses for the nation's profligate oil use. As peak-oil enthusiasts keep vigil over world petroleum statistics, they can find comfort in America's sudden, rapid descent from a different summit: the peak of sport-utility vehicle (SUV) production. In the early 2000s, combined sales of SUVs, pickup trucks, and minivans (which together make up the "light truck" class) caught and surpassed sales of passenger cars. But last week, automakers announced that high gas prices have caused their sales of SUVs and full-size pickups to plummet by as much as 50 percent compared with a year ago. ABOUT TIME !!!

With big-box vehicles waddling off into the sunset, we can expect the nation's roads to become safer and less crowded. But just as the end of the Cold War failed to bring with it a promised peace dividend, the end of the SUV era is unlikely to bring a "green dividend" -- unless it is accompanied by much bigger changes. The numbers show that even the complete disappearance of SUVs from the nation's roadways, without other fuel-saving developments, would put only a slight bend in the rising curve of national fuel consumption.

First, the Good News

By 2006, sales of the largest pickup trucks were 2½ times what they had been in 1992; meanwhile, assisted by the so-called "Hummer tax deduction," sales of 6,000- to 10,000-pound SUVs had risen 25-fold. But as last week's sales figures from Detroit made clear, 2008 will be a very different year.

In May, for the first time in 17 years, the top-selling vehicle model in America was not a pickup truck. In fact, Ford's F-150, the perennial leader, was overtaken by three small import-car models. Ford's June truck sales were down 41 percent from a year ago, and its SUV sales are now in free-fall, down 55 percent. Sales of Dodge Ram pickups tumbled 48 percent. General Motors, Ford and Chrysler were hit hard, and all have announced plans to close or suspend production at plants that make trucks and SUVs.

The post-SUV world will come to pass only gradually, but as it does, we can look forward to getting at least some relief from the damage that the reign of the big boxes has done:

[i]Less gas will be burned, reducing greenhouse gas emissions: The average SUV is driven 20 percent more miles per year than is the average car. That, along with its low fuel efficiency, means that it burns more than 800 gallons of fuel per year. The average pickup is only slightly less thirsty, at 700 gallons, compared with just under 500 burned by the average car. But without greater restraint by all drivers, how much can the demise of the SUV reduce fossil-fuel consumption? As we will see, not much.

Drivers of all vehicles will be less likely to die in a car crash: Michael Anderson, assistant professor of economics at the University of California at Berkeley, has done the math showing that increasing popularity of SUVs and pickups led to an increase in annual traffic fatalities. Of the additional deaths, he wrote, "approximately one-fifth accrue to the light trucks' own occupants, and the remaining four-fifths accrue to the occupants of other vehicles and pedestrians." To put it another way, getting most SUVs and pickups off the road will make everyone safer -- especially those who don't drive them.

In High and Mighty, his definitive 2002 book on the SUV, journalist Keith Bradsher described how the taller vehicles block the vision of car drivers and contribute to accidents. Statistics show that a person who's at the wheel of a small, nimble car and appropriately aware of the need to avert danger is much safer than a complacent driver relying solely on the protective bulk of an SUV -- a vehicle "designed to overcome its environment, not to respond to it," in the words of writer Malcolm Gladwell.

Fewer children might be run over: Some, but not all, surveys have shown that, presumably because of poorer visibility to the rear, SUVs and pickups are more likely to be involved in what are called driveway "backover" accidents, most victims of which are children. In one study, backovers were fatal most often when the vehicle was a pickup truck.

There will be more room on the road for everyone -- and maybe less


more here:

http://www.alternet.org/environment/90962/



Never understood why anyone 'needed' a hummer type transport..........except to show off and to massage their ego.


One can hope that gradually the US will learn the difference between "need" and 'want". Targeting the US as it is a reckless /irresponsible consumer .....


above could be a genuine start .....

Drycon
07-11-2008, 05:07 AM
Canada doesnt have SuVs? I know they do, and ALOT of them, but I await your response. Also, canada use's more oil per capita then the US, so dont think we are the only energy pigs, in fact canada use's more carbon based fuel then the US does, and thats not per a capita.

Shadow
07-11-2008, 05:24 AM
Canada doesnt have SuVs? I know they do, and ALOT of them, but I await your response. Also, canada use's more oil per capita then the US, so dont think we are the only energy pigs, in fact canada use's more carbon based fuel then the US does, and thats not per a capita.


that seems to be skirting the point.:confused::confused: Of course Ca has SUVs . Did anyone say , it did not??? or that it was innocent of over use of carbon based fuel??? Smart cars are replacing those big monstrocities and quite rapidly. Humongous gas guzzlers are looked down upon now...... as attitudes are shifting.

Drycon
07-11-2008, 05:35 AM
that seems to be skirting the point.:confused::confused: Of course Ca has SUVs . Did anyone say , it did not??? or that it was innocent of over use of carbon based fuel??? Smart cars are replacing those big monstrocities and quite rapidly. Humongous gas guzzlers are looked down upon now...... as attitudes are shifting.

You called the US a "reckless /irresponsible consumer".

Im just saying canada is more so the reckless and irresponsible consumer, and you should not throw stones if you live in a glass house. Canada is even worse on green house's gass then the US. This whole thread and your attempt to bash the US for things YOUR country is guilty of as well, is a joke.

Shadow
07-11-2008, 05:47 AM
the article is about the US. If you want to bring up Canada's "sins" and misdemeanors........start a thread to that effect.



the reality is that the US is on the hot seat for a lot of issues. Its "my car is bigger than your car, or more expensive , has more toys ......blah blah blah....... is front and center of the US image.


and the US IS a reckless/ irresponsible consumer. Deal with it. Along with that, try for a "matrix moment".


This whole thread and your attempt to bash the US for things YOUR country is guilty of as well, is a joke.


If you think it is a joke. then ignore this topic/thread.;):rolleyes:

Drycon
07-11-2008, 05:54 AM
I will not start a new thread, I am not takeing this off topic, I am mearly pointing out your agenda.

This is nothing more then Anti US propaganda, if you were worried about the envoirment, you would have started a thread about your country a long time ago, as it is the clearly the worse of two evils on the subject at hand.

Drycon
07-11-2008, 06:19 AM
Wow, 48% of the total auto market share in canada went to light trucks. American auto makers made a profit there. While in the us the suv/light truck market crashed.

I guess canada feels its a right to own an suv/light truck, or want to show off or something. Maybe they can follow the example of their neighbors to the south and start to buy smaller cars that get good mpg.

Shadow
07-11-2008, 07:57 AM
Maybe they can follow the example of their neighbors to the south and start to buy smaller cars that get good mpg.



Canada does not have to "follow " anyone. Folks (CA) have been changing the type of transport they use for some time now. They-along with most of the modern world- saw the writing on the wall much sooner than the US did.


But that is neither here or there. What is relevant is how do folks percieve the post SUV world ?? It is more than about SUVs per sae , It is about lifestyles and lifestyle changes. How willing will folks be to make the changes necessary ?? Change can be "painful". for anyone, of any nation.

at the rate the price of gas is rising........those that will be able to AFFORD to drive a car might diminish in numbers. Those that are two , three and more car family units might have to revise their priorities too.

At least Canada is not invading oil rich countries in order to steal , control those nations resources (and slaughtering thousands in the process---And lets NOT go into the SH was a potential threat to the world , sitting on stockpiles of WMD Bullcrap...... Canadians , along with most of the planet saw the US motives for what they were when the US warmongers beat the drums for an elective invasion of GREED. At least Canada is not a threat to the world , the way the US is. But I digress. :rolleyes:


No, it is the US that had better start looking at itself before bitching about another nation, now. Most other nations are well aware of their short comings. Something the US has no idea about.....when it comes to the itself.

But the US will not engage in any introspection. It does not know how or care to find out. Time for the US to join the rest of the world. in a cooperative and constructive manner. IT wants to be the world leader so badly...... fine. So lead in an effective , non violent , progressive way , and demonstrate to the world by example , that it can do without its Hummers etc. (for starters)The US had its chance to lead progressively , intelligently and it blew it. The formula it has been using has not worked -except for the immediate gratification types -and will not work

Drycon
07-11-2008, 08:36 AM
Canada saw the writeing on the wall and started changeing the type of transport they use? Well your right, they drive more trucks now, probably the only place in the world where suv and light truck sales are going up.

And your right about the US in Iraq, but then I guess thats off topic isnt it.

Shadow
07-11-2008, 08:50 AM
Well your right, they drive more trucks now, probably the only place in the world where suv and light truck sales are going up.




Is this in Alberta?? Ontario??? Thx. Alberta is oil rich and probably the wealthiest province in Canada. Can you supply a link for these "statistics"?? Thanks.

Drycon
07-11-2008, 08:54 AM
http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6304952

light trucks were 48% of canada total auto sales.

Shadow
07-11-2008, 09:04 AM
http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6304952

light trucks were 48% of canada total auto sales.



Interesting article. Thanks. :)

Drycon
07-11-2008, 09:08 AM
Just so you know, not all americans like big cars, my life would honestly be much nicer if we just banned suv's.

I agree that not many people need them, hell I would be up for a special license for trucks so that only farmers and people who use trucks as a tool could buy them.

I go to work on what the law calls a scooter, I get 80 mpg, and it would suprise you to see how many people are doing the same in the seattle area. We are more green area however.

Shadow
07-11-2008, 09:20 AM
I hear ya.


Personally, I love scooters. They are really BIG here now. ( southern BC ) I drive a wee Brit car. MGB and rather ancient. But very good on gas. Still, every time I fill up .....I "curse". :(


Used to go to Seattle often. *( before bush, that is) Really like it. Had a favorite restaurant that I went to each time. Been a long time now....but if I recall it correctly: Double tree Inn. They served an awesome wilted lettuce salad ....... that still makes my mouth water.


but I digress. Just to lighten things up some ;)

Lightweaver
07-11-2008, 02:25 PM
I'm sick and tired of seeing SUVs demonized. There are so many other vehicles that use lots of fuel, but one day someone came up with a sound bite about SUVs and the sheeple mindlessly jumped on the bandwagon.

I wonder how much gas the tanks, trucks, planes, and armored vehicles are using in the various wars the US is engaged in? Or the limousines that our politicians and celebrities are chauffeured around in? Why not address that?

SUVs are much sturdier and safer than sedans, are good for hauling things as well as people, and four-wheeling is a lot of fun. They are very practical, rugged vehicles which last longer than, say, a sedan.

I love my SUV. :p

Shadow
07-12-2008, 12:31 AM
I wonder how much gas the tanks, trucks, planes, and armored vehicles are using in the various wars the US is engaged in? Or the limousines that our politicians and celebrities are chauffeured around in? Why not address that?



superb point. Thx for bringing it into focus.:)

JackAussie
07-12-2008, 04:40 AM
However the U.S. still uses three times as much oil, consuming 20.4 million barrels a day in 2004 while China uses only 6.5 million. But China's oil consumption doubled between 1994 and 2004, while the U.S.'s only increased by 15%. Japan is the world's third largest oil consumer
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/China_overtakes_U.S._as_world's_largest_consumer

For many resources, the United States of America is the world's largest consumer in absolute terms. For a list of 20 major traded commodities, it takes the greatest share of 11 of them: corn, coffee, copper, lead, zinc, tin, aluminum, rubber, oil seeds, oil and natural gas. For many more it is the largest per-capita consumer.

A typical example is meat. China, with the world's largest population, is the highest overall producer and consumer of meat, but the highest per-capita consumption in the world is that of the United States. The average United States citizen consumes more than three times the global average of 37 kilos per person per year. Africans consume less than half the global average, and South Asians consume the least, at under 6 kilos per person per yearhttp://atlas.aaas.org/index.php?part=2