Zoroastrianism Originated In Russia - Putin

[North Pole Resident]

The source is "youtube" video. In the interview with Iran's journalists Vladimir Putin speaks about Iran, its great history and Russia-Iran relations. There is no English text in that video, however, so I will translate the part of the interview in which President Putin speaks about Zoroastrianism.

He says that Zoroastrianism is the source of Chistianity, Judaism and Islam, and then he added:

"....but now there is evidence that make us believe that the birthplace of Zoroastrianism is South Russia, in the South Ural mountains. And due to the relocation of the peoples.... those people whose religion was Zoroastrianism moved to the territory of today's Iran."

I will translate the whole thing, however, if anyone wants.

Youtube video - President Putin about Iran, Russia and Zoroastrianism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2j5KdNXaOs


Any comments on Putin's statement?

[Gareth]

Zorastrianism is not the source of Judaism, Christianity or Islam. The furthest people go with Zorastrianism is that it influenced Judaism slightly during the Jewish exile.

[UShadItcoming]

Zorastrianism is not the source of Judaism, Christianity or Islam. The furthest people go with Zorastrianism is that it influenced Judaism slightly during the Jewish exile.

Does your faith make that true? How are we supposed to believe someone who relies on faith for answers to other important questions? Believing in creation diminishes your credibility right from the start.

[Gareth]

Does your faith make that true? How are we supposed to believe someone who relies on faith for answers to other important questions? Believing in creation diminishes your credibility right from the start.

No, learned theologians and people who have researched the cultural basis for this makes it true. I've looked into it before. Although you have established an image of me, and have preconcieved ideas, I do look things up and I do look outside the Bible for conclusions.

All Christians believe in a creation event. I'm not sure by what method life came into formation. However I do believe that God was behind it whether you are referring to Young Earth Creationism, or theistic evolution.

If you wish to discuss this with me further, I would ask you to deal with the post instead of trying to attack the poster. Otherwise I will leave your posts unread.

Sources to suggest this are all over Google. I will leave you with one of many that suggest it was during the Jewish exile when Iranian and Jewish culture came into contact.

After King Nebuchadnezzar exiled the Jews to Babylon in the sixth century B.C., Babylon was conquered by Cyrus the Great, Emperor of Persia, who was a Zoroastrian. Thus Judaism came under the influence of Zoroastrianism and adopted many of its doctrines, doctrines that would pass from Judaism into Christianity and Islam. These include the beliefs in Monotheism, Heaven and Hell, Satan, the Resurrection, the coming of the Messiah, and the Last Judgement, and the practice of five daily prayers, which is one of the Five Pillars of Islam.

[UShadItcoming]

No, learned theologians and people who have researched the cultural basis for this makes it true. I've looked into it before. Although you have established an image of me, and have preconcieved ideas, I do look things up and I do look outside the Bible for conclusions.

Although you are unable to receive any comment which flies in the face of your beliefs as an attack against you, I assure you that they are not. Unfortunately for you, you are doomed to a life which is always going to be jaded against hearing the truth. You can try to blame me for that but the blame lies in the wrongheaded choices you have made. At 19 years of age it's not too late to straighten up and fly right and I'm going to help you to do that as long as you read what I have to say.

All Christians believe in a creation event. I'm not sure by what method life came into formation. However I do believe that God was behind it whether you are referring to Young Earth Creationism, or theistic evolution.

Of course all christians believe in a creation event and of course all christians are being misled. They have accepted the input from those who are intent on passing on lies and they are child abusers of the worst sort. I would suggest that your lifestyle choices which ares largely due to childhood influences has made you even doubly receptive to the lies. Did you have a domineering mother and a henpecked father?

If you wish to discuss this with me further, I would ask you to deal with the post instead of trying to attack the poster. Otherwise I will leave your posts unread.

You have told me before that you would ignore me but you have proven yourself incapable of even doing that. If you choose to ignore my advice in the future then it will be your loss, not mine. If you are offended by my comments and my advice to you then you had best ignore what I say.

Sources to suggest this are all over Google. I will leave you with one of many that suggest it was during the Jewish exile when Iranian and Jewish culture came into contact.

I have very little interest in sources all over google which support religious superstition. If you wish to go to a credible source which is capable of challenging the reliable source quoted by NPR then you should present that to him. I could care less but I am not going to allow you to spread your religious dogma here when it is based on nothing more tangible than your faith.

Do you have any interest at all of learning anything or have you already made up your mind at 19 years of age that you know everything of importance about creation/evolution?

You are obviously unable to reconcile the standard version of creation with reality due to the fact that you are living in a modern world. For that reason you need to invent your own novel versions of creation which depart from the bible's teaching. If you wish to try to give me your version and try again to reconcile it with what your bible says is the gospel then I will listen. Just be prepared to hear me on what I know to be the bible's truth as written, compared to how you christians need to alter the words to suit your recognition of reality and what are ridiculous 2000 year old superstitions.

Now tell me once and for all. Are you a follower and supporter of bishop Anderson?

[Gareth]

UShadItcoming, nobody who has studied the issue in detail has suggested Zorastrianism is the "source" of Judaism. Judaism existed centuries before it even came into contact with Iranian culture, and Zorastrianism as the Iranian religion. That's factual.

http://www.conncoll.edu/academics/departments/relstudies/290/iranian/influences/

Minor elements of Jewish thought were influenced by Zoroastrianism, however not the "source".

They have accepted the input from those who are intent on passing on lies and they are child abusers of the worst sort.

Yes, all Christian ministers are child abusers of the worst sort.... :rolleyes:

You have told me before that you would ignore me but you have proven yourself incapable of even doing that. If you choose to ignore my advice in the future then it will be your loss, not mine. If you are offended by my comments and my advice to you then you had best ignore what I say.

I had your comment ignored, but I decided to heed this one. No, if you bring up anyones family situation or sexuality again off topic in a thread, I will infract you. That's the way it's going to be.


I have very little interest in sources all over google which support religious superstition.

Right then... please prove to me that Zoroastrianism was the source of Judaism...

If you wish to go to a credible source which is capable of challenging the reliable source quoted by NPR then you should present that to him.

Nothing would be credible to you. You are only set on trolling.


Do you have any interest at all of learning anything or have you already made up your mind at 19 years of age that you know everything of importance about creation/evolution?

When did I say that?


All Christians believe in a creation event. I'm not sure by what method life came into formation. However I do believe that God was behind it whether you are referring to Young Earth Creationism, or theistic evolution.

That sounds rather open to me.


Now tell me once and for all. Are you a follower and supporter of bishop Anderson?

Hadn't heard of the guy until you posted.

[Lightweaver]

North Pole Resident, I find your threads amusing, and this one especially so. I suppose next you'll post that the Garden of Eden was in Russia, too. :rolleyes:

UShadItcoming, I'm not a Christian but I also read your posts in this thread as an attack on someone just because he is one. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. ;)

[North Pole Resident]

North Pole Resident, I find your threads amusing, and this one especially so. I suppose next you'll post that the Garden of Eden was in Russia, too.

Yes, the Garden of Eden was in northen Russia.
And you can read about it here - http://www.vaidilute.com/books/tilak/tilak-contents.html

[UShadItcoming]

No, the Garden of Eden was in Missouri and here is irrefutable proof:

http://www.mrm.org/topics/miscellaneous/american-garden-eden

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What a bunch of nonsense, there was no garden of eden and there was no creation of Adam and Eve. Humans along with all other life forms on earth originated from the simplest forms of life billions of years ago. Is there any sane person who doesn't understand that?

Sure it's fine for christians to have their religious beliefs but they have to be able to separate those beliefs from reality. It's similar to when you watch South Park or the Simpsons on television. You can pretend the people are real if you like but when the show is over and you walk outside you need to understand that you are not going to encounter little animated figures. Normal people (brights) and christians can live together in harmony if the christians just remember this rule.

[UShadItcoming]

North Pole Resident, I find your threads amusing, and this one especially so. I suppose next you'll post that the Garden of Eden was in Russia, too. :rolleyes:

He has shown you absolute proof that the garden of eden was in Russia.

UShadItcoming, I'm not a Christian but I also read your posts in this thread as an attack on someone just because he is one. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. ;)

When these people talk about the garden of eden, creation, or other superstitious beliefs they are assaulting my sensibilities. I equate it to a person saying that pedophilia is a good and honest occupation. Not to mention that the catholic church has one of the largest concentrations of pedophiles around. Gay and pedophile men should not be given protection by the church and a platform from which to practice their evil that affords them protection from criminal prosecution. Simply put, when a man brags about abstaining from having normal sexual relations with a woman and prepares to enter the priesthood, I fear that we have a pedophile in the making. It may not be true 100% of the time but the chances are high enough to take notice and watch the individual closely before he does harm. It is simply not noormal to abstain from sexual relations as a priest is supposed to do and therefore he will find an outlet for his human needs. If they stick to doing each other behind closed doors there is little harm but when they go after little boys they have to be stopped proactively. By drawing these people out we are better equipped to determine what their tendencies will be.

And you are accusing me of denial? All I deny is ridiculous superstitious beliefs. All the christians deny is reality! Don't try to attach blame on the normal people who are only intent on carrying out a conversatoin whaich is limited to reality.

[UShadItcoming]

If there is any truth to be made out of your religious gobbldegoop religoius superstitions then this is as credible as any:

http://www.godweb.org/linkszoroastrianism.htm

If you care to present some kind of argument out of your own head which is based on your faith then go right ahead.

But one think you need to understand is that just because one version of superstitious beliefs have it one way and your way, that doesn't make that version correct. I equate it to you trying to tell me that the garden of eden was in Mesopotamia when we now know for a fact due to modern day teaching that it's in Missouri.

[Lightweaver]

LOL! I KNEW you'd say that! :D

Yes, the Garden of Eden was in northen Russia.