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Thoba
07-16-2008, 11:12 AM
A story is told of a man on the way to the pilgrimage who collapsed in the desert, overcome by thirst. Suddenly he saw in the distance a small and tattered tent. He struggled there, and seeing a young girl, he cried aloud, “I am a guest! I have attained my goal!”

Saying this, he sat down and asked for water. She brought him water that was hotter than fire and more brackish than salt, and from lip to throat it burned every part. The man, out of extreme compassion, addressed the woman.

“I am indebted to you for what relief you have given me,” he said. “Compassion has welled up within me. Listen to what I say to you. Behold, Baghdad is nearby, and Kufa and Wasit and the rest. There you will find plenty of sweet, cool water, foods of various kinds, baths, luxuries, rich delights.” And he described the pleasures of those cities.

A moment later the Bedouin came on the scene who was the woman’s husband. He had caught a few brace of desert rats, which he told the woman to cook. They offered some to the guest, who being in such desperate straits ate them. After that, in the middle of the night, the guest slept outside the tent. The woman spoke to her husband.

“Did you hear all the stories our guest had to tell?” And she repeated to her husband the guest’s entire account.

“Don’t listen to these things,” the Bedouin answered. “There are many envious people in the world. When they see others living a life of ease and abundance, they envy them and want to send them wandering away to deprive them of their fortune.”

So it is with many people. When anyone out of pure compassion offers them a piece of advice, they see it as envy. But if there are roots in a person, in the end they will turn their face to the truth. If, since the day of the Primordial Covenant a drop has been sprinkled upon them, in the end that drop will deliver them out of all confusion and misery. Come then! How long will you be remote from us and estranged? How long locked up in confusion and sadness? And what should we say to people who have never heard stories like this before, even from their own teacher?

Since greatness never graced their forebears,
They cannot bear to hear the great ones
praised.

Although facing the truth is not attractive at first, the longer one follows it the sweeter it becomes. This is the opposite of outward forms that charm us at first, but the longer you sit with them thinking they are all there is, the colder you become. What is the form of the Koran compared with its meaning? Examine a man or woman: what is their form compared with their meaning? If the sense of that person departs, we wouldn’t let them loose in our house for one moment.

Our Master, Shams, once told this story: A great caravan was on its way to a distant city. Along the way they found a certain place with no sign of habitation or water. Suddenly they came upon a well with no bucket. So they took a kettle and some rope and lowered this kettle into the well. They drew up the rope, but the kettle broke away. They sent down another, but it broke away too. After that they tied people from the caravan with a rope and lowered them down into the well, but they disappeared as well.

Now there was a man of great heart present. He said, “I will go down.” They lowered him down. He was nearly to the bottom of the well when a terrible black creature suddenly appeared.

“I will never escape,” the man thought. “But at least let me keep my wits about me and not lose my senses, so that I can see what is going to happen.”

“Don’t make a long story of it,” the black creature said. “You’re my prisoner. You won’t escape unless you give me the right answer. Nothing else will save you.”

“Ask on,” said the man.

“Where is the best place?” the creature asked.

“I am a prisoner and helpless,” the man reflected. “If I say Baghdad or some other place, I might insult his own hometown.” Then he spoke aloud, “The best place to live is wherever we feel at home. If that is in the bowels of the earth, then that’s the best place. If it’s in a mouse hole, then that’s the best place.”

“Well said, well said!” cried the creature. “You’ve escaped. You’re one in a million. Now I’ve let you go, and set free the others on account of your blessing. From this time forward I’ll shed no more blood. I bestow this gift on all the people of the world out of love for you.”

Then he gave the people of the caravan water to satisfy their needs.

The purpose of this story is contained in its inner meaning. We can tell the same meaning in another form, but the lovers of traditional forms will accept this version. It is difficult to speak with them. If we speak these very same words in another parable they will not listen.

Thoba
07-18-2008, 08:36 AM
Do people think a time will ever come when the ecumenical movement will listen to Rumi and the other mystics or are they doomed to go on hitting each other over the heads with their Holy Books?

UShadItcoming
07-20-2008, 11:36 PM
What's you shtick Thoba? Is this crap all about your own personal teenage rebellion against your parents? Tell us about yourself cause I would like to learn what makes people like you tick.

Gareth
07-20-2008, 11:48 PM
What's you shtick Thoba? Is this crap all about your own personal teenage rebellion against your parents? Tell us about yourself cause I would like to learn what makes people like you tick.

How is that relevant to the discussion at hand?

Thoba
07-21-2008, 12:17 AM
What's you shtick Thoba? Is this crap all about your own personal teenage rebellion against your parents? Tell us about yourself cause I would like to learn what makes people like you tick.

Sorry do you know me? All what 'crap'? Out with now boy, don't be shy.

UShadItcoming
07-21-2008, 12:55 AM
Sorry do you know me? All what 'crap'? Out with now boy, don't be shy.

It's all this pretend philosophical crap that you give us Thoba. I'm just wondering what it's all for. Are you trying to make yourself look intelligent or something like that? IMO intelligent people don't subscribe to silly fringe religions but I have my ideas on what they're about when they do. I just want you to tell us if you're trying to impress us with this babbling on in tongues.

ciaranxavier
07-21-2008, 12:57 AM
It's all this pretend philosophical crap that you give us Thoba. I'm just wondering what it's all for. Are you trying to make yourself look intelligent or something like that? IMO intelligent people don't subscribe to silly fringe religions but I have my ideas on what they're about when they do. I just want you to tell us if you're trying to impress us with this babbling on in tongues.

address his post or quiet down, he can type in whatever way he wants and its not up to you to be the grammer police. if you choose not to address his post please dont bother posting a reply.

Thoba
07-21-2008, 04:01 AM
It's all this pretend philosophical crap that you give us Thoba. I'm just wondering what it's all for. Are you trying to make yourself look intelligent or something like that? IMO intelligent people don't subscribe to silly fringe religions but I have my ideas on what they're about when they do. I just want you to tell us if you're trying to impress us with this babbling on in tongues.

I don't feel any need to make myself look like anything at all on the intertubes. I type what I like and post what I like, all I want to do is stimulate a conversation about religion. Have I posted in the wrong section?

You however are very clearly wanting to look like a big strong intelligent no nonsense man. Do you think you are successful in your desire or do you perhaps secretly know that many people will mistake you for an insecure weakling who had an overbearing father or was perhaps bullied at school?

What is it precisely that you are rudely claiming to be 'pretend philosophy'? Why do you feel so threatened by a mere story and a question about organised religions? Share your problem with the world.

Gareth
07-21-2008, 09:45 AM
I just want you to tell us if you're trying to impress us with this babbling on in tongues.

Speak for yourself please. I found Thoba's last allegory to be an interesting way of putting it forward. I have yet to read this one.