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ciaranxavier
07-17-2008, 02:30 AM
Russian soldiers on parade
Bribes help get a child into an army-financed nursery

A third of all money spent by the Russian government on its armed forces is lost to corruption, a senior Russian official has warned.

Aleksander Kanshin told reporters 16 generals and 180 colonels were prosecuted last year alone.

One of Russia's top military prosecutors has called for new laws to tackle an "explosion of corruption".

If Mr Kanshin's figures are correct, it would mean about $13bn is lost to military corruption annually.

Flow of money

Speaking in Moscow, Mr Kanshin said almost 600 senior military personnel were convicted last year.

He said that housing, allocating military hardware contracts, even obtaining a place for a child in an army-financed nursery, all depend on bribes.

Mr Kanshin questioned recent changes which, he claimed, were aimed more at controlling the flow of money, than resolving problems like poor army housing.

The recently appointed head of Russia's top military court, Major General Yuri Kilnichenko, told the government newspaper that corruption is deeply rooted in the upper echelons of the armed forces, especially in awarding tenders for equipment, food and medical services.

He called for Russia's nascent, national anti-corruption plan to have a specific, military chapter.

The Russian President, Dmitry Medvedev, has repeatedly spoken of the way corruption undermines the Russian state, and has pledged to curb it.

However, many Russian analysts have already questioned whether he will succeed.

Corruption in Russia, they point out, is about something far deeper than giving or taking bribes.

At its worst, it is about control over whole sectors of the economy and the political state machine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7488133.stm

I dont find this a surprise at all.

Drycon
07-17-2008, 02:32 AM
That website is owned by the CIA, so it doesnt count as reliable news:D

ciaranxavier
07-17-2008, 02:51 AM
That website is owned by the CIA, so it doesnt count as reliable news:D

lol we go by those standards and we cant trust anyone. i hope everyone realizes here that ALL of the worlds major medias are owned by a group of around 40 people so oh wait nm i got the joke.

North Pole Resident
07-18-2008, 08:18 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7488133.stm

I dont find this a surprise at all.

Why is there a picture of men in old Soviet uniform if the article is about today's Russian army?

ciaranxavier
07-18-2008, 10:03 PM
Why is there a picture of men in old Soviet uniform if the article is about today's Russian army?

did you read the article or did you just look at the pictures?

AmericanDreamer
07-18-2008, 10:58 PM
That website is owned by the CIA, so it doesnt count as reliable news:D

Wrong. Your rationale is designed to invalidate the BBC's report. Look at some of the stories that the BBC has run that shed a negative light on the CIA.
CIA destroyed interrogation tapes http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7132000.stm

CIA jails in Europe 'confirmed' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6733353.stm
The fact is that Russia's military IS corrupt and the article shows this fact. Nice try. :rolleyes:

Extra info for you that confirms the deep rooted problems that the Russian military has:
Suicide The New Enemy For 'Poor & Corrupt' Russian Army http://www.rense.com/general52/corrpt.htm

Weapons Proliferation andOrganized Crime Russian Military Dimensions http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=russian+military+corrupt&fr=my-myy&u=www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj96/spec96/turbi.pdf&w=russian+military+corrupt+corrupted+corrupts&d=TPFw5C72REfa&icp=1&.intl=us

AmericanDreamer
07-18-2008, 11:00 PM
Why is there a picture of men in old Soviet uniform if the article is about today's Russian army?

Russia has many uniforms. Can you post a few since I imagine you have some archived?

The article sheds light on what the world already knows. Have you read it yet?

Drycon
07-19-2008, 02:12 AM
Wrong. Your rationale is designed to invalidate the BBC's report. Look at some of the stories that the BBC has run that shed a negative light on the CIA.
CIA destroyed interrogation tapes http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7132000.stm

CIA jails in Europe 'confirmed' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6733353.stm
The fact is that Russia's military IS corrupt and the article shows this fact. Nice try. :rolleyes:

Extra info for you that confirms the deep rooted problems that the Russian military has:
Suicide The New Enemy For 'Poor & Corrupt' Russian Army http://www.rense.com/general52/corrpt.htm

Weapons Proliferation andOrganized Crime Russian Military Dimensions http://cache.search.yahoo-ht2.akadns.net/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=russian+military+corrupt&fr=my-myy&u=www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj96/spec96/turbi.pdf&w=russian+military+corrupt+corrupted+corrupts&d=TPFw5C72REfa&icp=1&.intl=us

I was jokeing, anytime someone has a link about something bad russia has done, we are told its a website owned by the cia.

AmericanDreamer
07-19-2008, 04:52 AM
I was jokeing, anytime someone has a link about something bad russia has done, we are told its a website owned by the cia.

Ooops...nevermind:o

quirk
07-19-2008, 02:53 PM
Why is there a picture of men in old Soviet uniform if the article is about today's Russian army?

Is that not them marching to remember WW2?