We Never Went to the Moon

[Cosmored]

Here's some stuff that convinced me we never went to the moon.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4

At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. When the astronaut goes past it, it starts to move.

There's an analysis of it here at the 3 minute 5 second mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC1legw5-gs

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There's a noticeable difference in the body movements in these two clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdMvQTNLaUE
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm

What I hypothesize is that only slow-motion was used in Apollo 11. Later, they improved thier methods of simulating lunar gravity and started using a combination of slow-motion and support wires. The slow-motion in the later missions might not have been exactly half-speed. It might have been sixty five or seventy percent of natural speed. It looked better but it was inconsistent with Apollo 11 footage. The inconsistency is apparent.

At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4135126565081757736&q=apollo

It can also bee seen in this video at around the 30 minute 55 second mark.
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-7335269088210976286

It looks just like movement in earth gravity.
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If you look at the acceleration of the object that falls from the astronaut's backpack and the acceleration of the hammer and feather that fall, it's apparent that the there's a difference in the way gravity affects the objects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK2Fy85VyRg

Evidently the slow-motion speed is different.
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Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_CMgqitv98
(50 second mark)

It swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.

Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

This is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.

One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.
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Here are some videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQj-Mh__fRc&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=sgID31UpYfA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhoWabHSm_g
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1gD2P-Po_Gk
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EaV7QB_ReTw

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0ohDdNRq2Og
http://www.thule.org/brains/moon.rm
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What Happened on the Moon" (documentary)
Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3622009579385499503

Part 2
http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=-3186616594425246748
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http://es.youtube.com/results?search_query=moonfaker&search_type=&aq=f

Here are some articles.
http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html
http://erichufschmid.net/Interview-with-Bart-Sibrel.html
http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/

The astronauts look pretty nervous at the press conference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro

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Here's a link to the entire conference.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1535324572487804641

This keeps going on and offline so if this link is dead, try googling (Apollo 11 press conference).
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Their behavior look pretty suspicious here too. It begins in the second half of the video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2265515730495966561

[quirk]

Thanks for the videos. I have seen many of them before and they do raise some interesting questions, although in a documentary I watched once many of these questions where answered by scientist. Personally I don't doubt that man went to the moon at some stage.

[Gareth]

Well given the work NASA are carrying out on Mars at the minute I wouldn't doubt that man reached the moon.

[quirk]

Well given the work NASA are carrying out on Mars at the minute I wouldn't doubt that man reached the moon.

But if they faked the moon then they could be faking Mars:D:D:D

[Cosmored]

I have seen many of them before and they do raise some interesting questions, although in a documentary I watched once many of these questions where answered by scientist.
There are a lot of scientists working for the government who have sold out. There are some questions that they don't address in those documentaries such as the one about the flag that is still until an astronaut walks past it and makes it move without touching it (first two videos in post #1 of this thread). There's also the way the corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity when they were supposed to be in zero-gravity halfway to the moon (eighth and ninth videos of post #1).

I'm convinced that they faked it. One of the reasons they had to fake it might have been space radiation.

http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
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There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.


Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENebR5hsRs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ65d30kYME

http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html
(excerpt)
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To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
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unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]

Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
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http://ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo5.htm
http://www.erichufschmid.net/MoreInfoForScienceChallenge.html
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9659&hl=apollo
http://www.buzzcreek.com/grade-a/MOON/articles1.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2rotplZn0g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFiIR7hA1rM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toI1Xw9paW4

But if they faked the moon then they could be faking Mars
I don't rule that out. I'm sitting on the fence on that one for now but things look pretty suspicious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH7vN3oO1Zw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlUPnNiG81k

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0bHAXsRio
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=nHdvAiz8yUw
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=7fNbnXmV1CQ
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=-J_cMoQ_SzE
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NsKX9WPpWRg

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=0RgmjDJdvV0
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=8hcY6LcUe7s

http://spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040106columbia.html

[Kacen]

The flag was waving because of excess momentum. In low gravity, it would cause that effect.

In addition, all of our Cold War enemies, the USSR, China, etc. were monitoring the transmissions between the moon and the earth from our Apollo missions.

http://space.about.com/od/astronomyhistory/a/moonhoax.htm Debunks everything.

[Cosmored]

The flag was waving because of excess momentum. In low gravity, it would cause that effect.[/
Watch the clip again. It's not moving at all and it starts to move when the astronaut walks by it.

Watch this three part series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr76qSQ9ZQQ

In addition, all of our Cold War enemies, the USSR, China, etc. were monitoring the transmissions between the moon and the earth from our Apollo missions.
There are lots of explanations for this. What we read might be baloney. There might have been an unmanned lander on the moon actually transmitting to fool everybody--even the people at mission control.

http://space.about.com/od/astronomyhistory/a/moonhoax.htm Debunks everything.
What sites like that do is come up with alternative explanations for things. Then we have two possible explanations--not a debunking. A lot of the explanations they come up with are pretty doubtful such as the reticule behind the object explanation.
They don't even address the flag moving when the astronaut goes past or any of the other real obvious stuff.
Please cite just one piece of evidence you consider to be conclusive proof that they went to the moon and we can talk about whether it's really proof.

[quirk]

Cosmored do you not think Kacen makes an extremely valid point in that the Soviets and Chinese would have been monitoring the transmission and wouldn't have sat back while the US lied about such an issue? The Soviets at least had many satellites capable of doing so.

[Cosmored]

Cosmored do you not think Kacen makes an extremely valid point in that the Soviets and Chinese would have been monitoring the transmission and wouldn't have sat back while the US lied about such an issue? The Soviets at least had many satellites capable of doing so.


If they really landed the Surveyor probes on the moon before Apollo, they had the technology to land an unmanned craft on the moon that could have been transmitting signals to earth. That would have fooled mission control but I doubt it would have fooled the Russians.

It's plausible that some kind of deal was made with the Russians and Chinese.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoWmEa_uFiQ

http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html
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Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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I spoke to a Russian woman a few years ago and she said that she'd never heard the hoax theory before. The Russian people are taught that the Americans really went to the moon in school. That's not the case in all countries though.

http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html
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Well, how did the media fall for this?
Well, the media doesn't fall for anything. The media is controlled by the government. The Dutch papers on July 21 [1969] said that the moon landing was a hoax, was a fake, and I have been unable to find any of those Dutch papers, although it's well documented that they did publish information, with proof, that the U.S. was spoofing everybody.
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What we were reading about the relationship between the US and Russia and China doesn't necessarily reflect what was actually happening. The purpose of the American press isn't to keep us informed. It's to keep us brainwashed.

http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories&action=display&thread=1525

Who knows what kind of deals might have been made behind the scenes.

The video shows that the missions were faked so one of the scenarios for Russian and Chinese silence must be the right one. We just don't know which one yet.

[quirk]

I doubt there would have been a deal considering it was the cold war and that they where trying to outdo each other in the "space race".

[Cosmored]

I doubt there would have been a deal considering it was the cold war and that they where trying to outdo each other in the "space race".
You're just assuming that we were being told the truth. Who knows what kind of relationship the US and the Soviet Union really had.

I wish Chomsky's analysis of the Cold War were still on-line. He talks about how the US and the Soviet Union used it as a scare tactic to control their populations. To read it, you have to buy one of his books. I've seen it in these two books of his.


http://www.amazon.com/Deterring-Democracy-Noam-Chomsky/dp/0374523495/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218301421&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Lies-Democracy-Real-Story/dp/1878825046/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218301480&sr=1-1


Tell me what you think of these analyses of the US press.
http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=othertheories&action=display&thread=1525

What do you think of the video evidence that it was a hoax?