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greektzon
08-14-2008, 10:18 PM
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1831786,00.html?imw=Y

It's long-winded and badly written, a tirade against all things non-German that would have disappeared if its author had never managed to turn many of his vile words into action.
Adolf Hitler's notorious Mein Kampf (My Struggle), a manifesto posing as autobiography, has long been banned from German bookshelves "out of a responsibility and respect for the victims of the Holocaust."
But 83 years after it was first published, some Germans argue it should be made available again in order to drain it of whatever power it might still have.

A debate over the book is slowly growing in Germany, in part because Mein Kampf's copyright, held by the state of Bavaria, will expire in 2015. Then the book will enter the public domain, and anyone will be able to reprint the text. Academics and officials who fear that a flood of new editions may be abused by far-right extremists are now demanding that a carefully researched and critical edition of the 800-page tome be prepared as a way to demystify it.

"We have to prepare our contemporaries for the release of Mein Kampf," urges Oscar Schneider, head of the board of trustees of Nuremberg's Documentation Center Nazi Party Rally Grounds.
"We have to supply them with objective arguments and give them the ability to hold their own in the political and publicity debate."
This, says historian Wolfgang Altgeld from the University of Würzburg, could be done through a step-by-step commentary of Hitler's hate-filled harangue that would also uncover "where he copied from others" and which elements of his life story "are pure fiction."

Even the Central Council of Jews in Germany has changed its zero-tolerance stance toward a German release of Mein Kampf.
"An aggressive and enlightened way of dealing with the book would undoubtedly divest it of much of the myth that so unjustly surrounds it," says Stephan Kramer, the organization's general secretary.
The "lack of comprehensive knowledge about the [National Socialist] regime" doesn't allow German youths to put the book "into context."
A well-annotated edition is both "sensible and important."

But not every historian agrees.
"There's simply no need for it," says Wolfgang Benz, head of the Berlin-based Center for Research on Antisemitism.
Not only would such a learned tome "fail to add to our understanding of such things as the Holocaust or the elation with which many people followed the Nazi rule," it wouldn't even reach those supposedly benefiting from it: the man in the street.
"Your average Joe just isn't interested in such a publication," Benz says. "At least, I haven't met anybody yet — in the subway or wherever — who has begged for one."

The argument that a critical edition would prevent abuse of the tract for far-right agitprop doesn't persuade critics of an un-banning either. "The text is easily available abroad and on the Internet," argues Jürgen Faulenbach from the Federal Agency for Civic Education in Bonn.
"Nobody can prevent people from quoting it or using it for [illegal] purposes, and an edition like the one some people now call for won't change that."
In the end, any change will have to come from Munich, and so far decisionmakers there have suggested that's unlikely.
Ever since it was entrusted with the copy and usage rights of Mein Kampf more than six decades ago, the Bavarian government has tried to prevent the dissemination of Nazi ideas at home and abroad by refusing permission for complete reprints.
Intended "as a clear signal" against Nazi ideology, this restrictive attitude "will not be changed," according to a statement by the Finance Ministry responsible for it.
The status quo is "generally respected and highly appreciated."

Whatever the outcome of the present controversy, one thing seems clear: the author himself would have been thrilled that his outpourings still have so much power to draw attention and stir up discord.

greektzon
08-14-2008, 10:24 PM
My oponion now: i dont know why this book is banned in Germany all these years.
This book isnt ''evil'':rockon:
The books arent dangerous.

ciaranxavier
08-15-2008, 03:07 AM
Its not banned where i live, i read it, it was a waste of time though.

Gareth
08-15-2008, 07:22 AM
Goodness me, the book is even legal in the State of Israel for educational purposes. If the Jews aren't offended by it why should people in Europe?

quirk
08-17-2008, 09:45 AM
Goodness me, the book is even legal in the State of Israel for educational purposes. If the Jews aren't offended by it why should people in Europe?

They shouldn't be and indeed this whole thing in relation to the holocaust is going away overboard. Banning this book (which I read myself and found terrible) has nothing positive to offer as people should be able to see what ideas led to the terrible events of that generation. Also the fascist who want to read it will be able to get it anyway no doubt and it is free online. While I know where Germany is coming from I just don't understand such a way of looking at things and this goes too for the ban on disputing the numbers killed in the holocaust which as an historical event should be open to discussion and revision.

In the name of combating fascism, sadly they are carrying out acts of censorship like the fascists.

East Tyrone
08-18-2008, 12:11 PM
This book is available in highschool libraries across the OSC. I managed maybe half the first chapter and that was enough of that shyte for me. Even Cancer Ward by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was an easier read.

Lightweaver
08-21-2008, 12:12 AM
I agree that the book shouldn't be banned and it's not dangerous.

Hey East Tyrone, I used to live in Tyrone, PA. :) It is beautiful mountain country.

ciaranxavier
08-21-2008, 04:45 AM
Welcome East Tyrone.

Ldn_Irish
08-23-2008, 03:04 PM
I agree that the book shouldn't be banned and it's not dangerous.

Hey East Tyrone, I used to live in Tyrone, PA. :) It is beautiful mountain country.

I think he lives in a different Tyrone :) By the way, your sig cracks me up.

Anyways, I never read Mein Kampf but I did have a couple of bits pointed out to me by someone, first bit was him saying he never had anything against Jews when he was young, and he wouldn't have even known there was a large enough Jewish community close to him and that he mixed with them. Later on he says "You can always tell when there is a Jew close, you can smell them." Confused much?

faceless
08-24-2008, 01:00 AM
I just made up the rumour that there was an unpublished subtitle to the original 'Mein Kampf' that read 'zu kommen von Amphetamin'.

bay
08-27-2008, 12:42 AM
LOL faceless!

books should not be banned. ffs, that's what they did in germany during hitler's reign, ban books and burn them!

ugh,. the "thought' police. if something offends you, don't read it. pretty simple, LOL

when I was growing up we had to read Catcher in the Rye, JD Salinger in high school. some parents were horrified.. OMG, it had swear words, and a teenage boy full of angst who needed to jerk off....their little darlings couldn't possibly be made to read such stuff,,,, hahahahaha

quirk
09-07-2008, 12:06 PM
I wouldn't say that no books should be banned. There are books which call for violence against minorities and such and they should be banned. Although some may say this about Mein Kampf I don't think it actually calls for violence and it also is important in an historical context.

ciaranxavier
09-09-2008, 04:07 AM
LOL faceless!

books should not be banned. ffs, that's what they did in germany during hitler's reign, ban books and burn them!

ugh,. the "thought' police. if something offends you, don't read it. pretty simple, LOL

when I was growing up we had to read Catcher in the Rye, JD Salinger in high school. some parents were horrified.. OMG, it had swear words, and a teenage boy full of angst who needed to jerk off....their little darlings couldn't possibly be made to read such stuff,,,, hahahahaha

LOL that catchers in the rye was in the possession of a lot of serial killers they should ban that too. :bounce:

Kacen
10-06-2008, 02:40 AM
I have mixed feelings on this.

On one hand, I know how people think, mainly conspiracy theorists, they think that if a book is banned then it holds "truth" that the evil government is trying to hide (they generally don't trust authority).

On the other hand, the book is chock full of conspiracy garbage and lunacy, and if someone with inherently neutral views reads it it would be possible they would come to believing it.

quirk
10-06-2008, 10:32 AM
I think its also quite silly to ban books in this day and age as they can be got on the internet anyway. A neo Nazi who wants to read Mein Kampf will be able to do so regardless of its legal status.

aswad
10-06-2008, 04:40 PM
Just for an info: 'Mein Kampf' isn't banned in Germany. Possession is not illegal, sale is not illegal, purchase is not illegal.

As was mentioned in an earlier post, the rights are held by the federal state of Bavaria, and they do not grant rights to publish a new edition.

Personally, I'd welcome a new and commented version which counters all the desinformation with valid info.


(As an aside @faceless: that subtitle should read 'Mein Kampf, vom Amphetamin wegzukommen'. Sorry about that, but you know about German one-up-manship, don't you :D )

Kacen
10-06-2008, 05:33 PM
Personally, I'd welcome a new and commented version which counters all the desinformation with valid info.

100% agreed.

ciaranxavier
10-06-2008, 06:08 PM
Just for an info: 'Mein Kampf' isn't banned in Germany. Possession is not illegal, sale is not illegal, purchase is not illegal.

As was mentioned in an earlier post, the rights are held by the federal state of Bavaria, and they do not grant rights to publish a new edition.

Personally, I'd welcome a new and commented version which counters all the desinformation with valid info.


(As an aside @faceless: that subtitle should read 'Mein Kampf, vom Amphetamin wegzukommen'. Sorry about that, but you know about German one-up-manship, don't you :D )

a version like that would be a good idea, as long as original unchanged versions were still available.

Kacen
10-07-2008, 12:42 AM
a version like that would be a good idea, as long as original unchanged versions were still available.

I think the threat of people getting false ideas is too great, so I'd have to say no.