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Rehmat
01-30-2008, 01:45 PM
Zionist literature is indeed replete with discussions of the ways and means to ‘productivize’ the Jews in order to make them less ‘parasitical’, ‘marginal’ or dependent. This justification for anti-Semitism is a cardinal theme in Theodor Herzl’s “The Jewish State”. Herzl declared: “the anti-Semites will be our most dependable friends, the anti-Semitic countries, our allies.”

According to Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz (Jan. 30, 2008) - Israel's 84-year-old terrorist president Shimon Peres wants to use Facebook to crush any questioning of Jewish atrocities and to spread the holocaust myth.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/949276.html

Facebook is social networking website launched on February 4, 2004. Owned and operated by Zionist Jews, it now has 62 million members. It competes with MySpace, but caters to slighter older Goyim at the high school and college level in the USA and abroad. It also competes with Craigslist.
In May 2005, Accel Partners gave $12.5 million to boost Facebook. Accel Partners is a group of venture capitalists led by Jews James Breyer and Jim Swarz.

Last week, Peres met with Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg (militant Zionist Brooklyn Jew) at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.
Since Facebook is Jewish owned and operated, Peres says it is an ideal tool to silence criticism of Israel, and to spread holocaust propaganda.

CoolockRepublican
02-18-2008, 02:55 PM
REHMAT islam is a false religion invented by a war mongering terrorist prophet of doom,named mohammed,the jews laughed at mohammed because he constantly mis quoted the bible because he never had any knowledge of it other than what he heard in storys during his travels,it is obvious this evil man mohammed was a false prophet,he is dead now and most likely burning in hell,and if you continue to blindly follow islam this is were you will end up to.allah is not the same GOD as YHWH the TRUE GOD of the bible.

Rehmat
02-18-2008, 06:50 PM
Instead of whining like a bitch - why don't you prove something? For example - why Muslim population has grown to over 1.5 billion - while you filthy Talmudic Jews are still stuck at less than 14 million for the last 3,500 years!

quirk
02-18-2008, 07:12 PM
Instead of whining like a bitch - why don't you prove something? For example - why Muslim population has grown to over 1.5 billion - while you filthy Talmudic Jews are still stuck at less than 14 million for the last 3,500 years!

This kind of language is not acceptable. Anti Semitism will not be tolerated.

ciaranxavier
02-18-2008, 10:57 PM
Instead of whining like a bitch - why don't you prove something? For example - why Muslim population has grown to over 1.5 billion - while you filthy Talmudic Jews are still stuck at less than 14 million for the last 3,500 years!

like quirk said watch your anti semitism and watch your language as well dont be calling anyone a name because he has an opinion its not constructive in any way. and the fact that you speak of religion as if it makes someone different then the other is rather disgusting, it shouldnt matter what religion you choose to follow that makes you judge a person. its a rather sick way to go about life and youll find it closes a lot of doors for you throughout it.

ciaranxavier
02-18-2008, 11:00 PM
REHMAT islam is a false religion invented by a war mongering terrorist prophet of doom,named mohammed,the jews laughed at mohammed because he constantly mis quoted the bible because he never had any knowledge of it other than what he heard in storys during his travels,it is obvious this evil man mohammed was a false prophet,he is dead now and most likely burning in hell,and if you continue to blindly follow islam this is were you will end up to.allah is not the same GOD as YHWH the TRUE GOD of the bible.

please dont play into his sectarianism, the irish have been fighting the protestant/catholic dispute label for long enough we shouldnt prove to people that its possibly true in some eyes. it doesnt matter what god people choose to follow.

CoolockRepublican
02-25-2008, 12:27 AM
ciaran,to people who believe in GOD,it is of utmost importance which GOD they follow.allah is a false god,and his nature is contradictory to the nature of YHWH the GOD of the bible.

ciaranxavier
02-25-2008, 02:47 AM
ciaran,to people who believe in GOD,it is of utmost importance which GOD they follow.allah is a false god,and his nature is contradictory to the nature of YHWH the GOD of the bible.

show me some proof that makes your god and more false then yours and i may think about believing you.

Enver
02-25-2008, 11:55 AM
ciaran,to people who believe in GOD,it is of utmost importance which GOD they follow.allah is a false god,and his nature is contradictory to the nature of YHWH the GOD of the bible.

You do know that Christian Arabs call their god 'Allah' or 'Elah', right?

Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham and Moses. Get over it.

CoolockRepublican
02-25-2008, 09:54 PM
enver your ignorance is astounding.christians and jews worship the same God YHWH,allah was the name for a a pagan moon god common around arabia,long before mohammed ever existed.if you doubt me look it up.plus the nature of allah is in complete contradiction to that of YHWH.also mohammed was not a prophet because he never actualy made a prphecy.since this is a fundamental test of a true prophet it is safe to say mohammed was a false prophet who manipulated people with false claims of devine messeges.

Enver
02-26-2008, 12:54 AM
Is there no end to your bullshit?

ciaranxavier
02-26-2008, 01:01 PM
enver your ignorance is astounding.christians and jews worship the same God YHWH,allah was the name for a a pagan moon god common around arabia,long before mohammed ever existed.if you doubt me look it up.plus the nature of allah is in complete contradiction to that of YHWH.also mohammed was not a prophet because he never actualy made a prphecy.since this is a fundamental test of a true prophet it is safe to say mohammed was a false prophet who manipulated people with false claims of devine messeges.

but every religion argues that their god is the "true" god what makes you right? and actual proof not just oh well mohammed never existed till lad de daa. were not talking jesus were not talking mohammed were talking god which in every religion has been around since the dawn of time so how come your god is the only one that could have possibly been around since then? and i knew enver was right when he said you were tomas its like i said on IR.net you can smell your posts from a mile away.

CoolockRepublican
03-01-2008, 06:33 PM
ciaran,do you post just for the sake of it? because you never show any proof for what you say,you just express your human opinions,which realy dont count for much in regards refuting devinity.there is tons of proof for jesus,and the miracles of jesus,and moses,and the exodus,you should realy educate yourself.

socrates
03-01-2008, 08:53 PM
ciaran,do you post just for the sake of it? because you never show any proof for what you say,you just express your human opinions,which realy dont count for much in regards refuting devinity.there is tons of proof for jesus,and the miracles of jesus,and moses,and the exodus,you should realy educate yourself.

Show me the proof of the miracles of Jesus which you speak off.

ciaranxavier
03-03-2008, 10:06 PM
ciaran,do you post just for the sake of it? because you never show any proof for what you say,you just express your human opinions,which realy dont count for much in regards refuting devinity.there is tons of proof for jesus,and the miracles of jesus,and moses,and the exodus,you should realy educate yourself.

your argument can be turned and shoved right back in your face. youve failed to show proof. you cant show proof as you have no artifacts that could be genetically linked to jesus so you can never prove he truly existed. your proof is some book written 2000 years ago which can never be actually verified as the writer is dead and well never know if it was a fairytale, an overdone bigraphy of a popular healer, or indeed the son of god. so you have no proof and im not about to go and spend my time finding articles that i already know your answer too. ive debated this religion crap with many over zealots like you and you always say the same things. the other religions have just as much proof as you for their gods existance and all claim to be right just like you, can you not for one moment even comprehend that there is a possibility your wrong and their right or everyone is wrong all together and there is no supernatural force that exists and no afterlife.

Gareth
03-21-2008, 01:36 PM
Show me the proof of the miracles of Jesus which you speak off.

The Bible, and outside of that Flavius Josephus a Jewish historian noted the miracles in Jewish Antiquities Book 18 Chapter 3:3.

Asides from that, believing that miracles are possible, comes from faith in God. Surely if you believe that God created the world with all it's physical attributes, you can believe that God can manipulate these physical attributes. As for Christ walking on water, God's Holy Spirit made it so that the surface tension could sustain Christ, and Peter when he believed he could do it could also. However when Peter lost faith he began to sink.

socrates
03-21-2008, 02:36 PM
Gareth I understand what you are saying however I was replying to a particular point made by CoolockRepublican that there is evidence to support this. Evidence and faith are different and as he said evidence I am waiting for him to present it.

ciaranxavier
03-21-2008, 04:37 PM
The Bible, and outside of that Flavius Josephus a Jewish historian noted the miracles in Jewish Antiquities Book 18 Chapter 3:3.

Asides from that, believing that miracles are possible, comes from faith in God. Surely if you believe that God created the world with all it's physical attributes, you can believe that God can manipulate these physical attributes. As for Christ walking on water, God's Holy Spirit made it so that the surface tension could sustain Christ, and Peter when he believed he could do it could also. However when Peter lost faith he began to sink.

theres nothing wrong with faith Gareth and if thats what you believe then thats what you believe. but Coolock has been coming on here telling others to convert to christianity because its the only true religion, telling people that their idiots for not believing in his god and so on. you only have to go look at his comments to see why were making ours. theres nothing wrong with practicing your religion just dont force it on others or condemn others because they dont believe. thats wrong to do.

BlackBaron
03-21-2008, 08:30 PM
enver your ignorance is astounding.christians and jews worship the same God YHWH,allah was the name for a a pagan moon god common around arabia,long before mohammed ever existed.if you doubt me look it up.plus the nature of allah is in complete contradiction to that of YHWH.also mohammed was not a prophet because he never actualy made a prphecy.since this is a fundamental test of a true prophet it is safe to say mohammed was a false prophet who manipulated people with false claims of devine messeges.

Are you sure Christians and jews have the same God?

ciaranxavier
03-21-2008, 08:38 PM
Are you sure Christians and jews have the same God?

if thats a question i think they have the same god just the jews dont believe jesus was the messiah and are still waiting for him. its more then that but thats a quick run down.

BlackBaron
03-21-2008, 08:45 PM
enver your ignorance is astounding.christians and jews worship the same God YHWH,allah was the name for a a pagan moon god common around arabia,long before mohammed ever existed.if you doubt me look it up.plus the nature of allah is in complete contradiction to that of YHWH.also mohammed was not a prophet because he never actualy made a prphecy.since this is a fundamental test of a true prophet it is safe to say mohammed was a false prophet who manipulated people with false claims of devine messeges.


The Monotheistic Religions.

Do We Have the Same God

that Non-Christians Have?

by Father Basile Sakkas

"THE HEBREW AND ISLAMIC PEOPLES, AND CHRISTIANS... these three expressions of an identical monotheism, speak with the most authentic and ancient, and even the boldest and most confident voices. Why should it not be possible that the name of the same God, instead of engendering irreconcilable opposition, should lead rather to mutual respect, understanding and peaceful coexistence? Should the reference to the same God, the same Father, without prejudice to theological discussion, not lead us rather one day to discover what is so evident, yet so difficult — that we are all sons of the same Father, and that, therefore, we are all brothers?"

Pope Paul VI, La Croix, Aug. 11, 1970

On Thursday, April 2, 1970, a great religious manifestation took place in Geneva. Within the framework of the Second Conference of the "Association of United Religions," the representatives of target religions were invited to gather in the Cathedral of Saint Peter. This "common prayer" was based on the following motivation: "The faithful of all these religions were invited to coexist in the cult of the same God"! Let us then see if this assertion is valid in the light of the Holy Scriptures.

In order better to explain the matter, we shall limit ourselves to the three religions that have historically followed each other in this order: Judaism, Christianity, Islam. These three religions lay claim, in fact, to a common origin: as worshippers of the God of Abraham. Thus it is a very widespread opinion that since we all lay claim to the posterity of Abraham (the Jews and Moslems according to the flesh and Christians spiritually), we all have as God the God of Abraham and all three of us worship (each in his own way, naturally) the same God! And, this same God constitutes in some fashion our point of unity and of "mutual understanding," and this invites us to a "fraternal relation," as the Grand Rabbi Dr. Safran emphasized, paraphrasing the Psalm: "Oh, how good it is to see brethren seated together..."

In this perspective it is evident that Jesus Christ, God and Man, the Son Co-eternal with the Father without beginning, His Incarnation, His Cross His Glorious Resurrection and His Second and Terrible Coming — become secondary details which cannot prevent us from "fraternizing" with those who consider Him as "a simple prophet" (according to the Koran) or as "the son of a prostitute" (according to certain Talmudic traditions)! Thus we would place Jesus of Nazareth and Mohammed on the same level. I do not know what Christian worthy of the name could admit this in his conscience.

One might say that in these three religions, passing over the past, one could agree that Jesus Christ is an extraordinary and exceptional being and that He was sent by God. But for us Christians, if Jesus Christ is not God, we cannot consider Him either as a "prophet " or as one sent by God, "but only as a great imposter without compare, having proclaimed Himself "Son of God," making Himself thus equal to God!" (St. Mark 14:61-62). According to this ecumenical solution on the supra-confessional level, the Trinitarian God of Christians would be the same thing as the monotheism of Judaism, of Islam, of the ancient heretic Sabellius, of the modern anti-Trinitarians, and of certain Illuminist sects. There would not be Three Persons in a Single Divinity, but a single Person, unchanging for some, or successively changing "masks" (Father-Son-Spirit) for others! And nonetheless one would pretend that this was the "same God"

Here some might naively propose: "Yet for the three religions there is a common point: all three confess God the Father! "But according to the Holy Orthodox Faith, this is an absurdity. We confess always: Glory to the Holy, Consubstantial, Life-giving and Indivisible Trinity." How could we separate the Father from the Son when Jesus Christ affirms I and the Father are One (St. John 10:30); and St. John the Apostle, Evangelist, and Theologian, the Apostle of Love, clearly affirms: Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father (St. John 5:23).

But even if all three of us call God Father: of whom is He really the Father? For the Jews and the Moslems He is the Father of men in the plane of creation; while of us Christians He is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ by adoption (Eph. 1:4-5) in the plane of redemption. What resemblance is there, then, between the Divine Paternity in Christianity and in the other religions?

Others might say: "But all the same, Abraham worshipped the true God; and the Jews through Isaac and the Moslems through Hagar are the descendants of this true worshipper of God." Here one will have to make several things clear: Abraham worshipped God not at all in the form of the unipersonal monotheism of the others, but in the form of the Holy Trinity. We read in the Holy Scripture: And the Lord appeared unto him at the Oaks of Mamre... and he bowed himself toward the ground (Gen. 18:1-2). Under what form did Abraham worship God? Under the unipersonal form, or under the form of the Divine Tri-unity? We Orthodox Christians venerate this Old Testament manifestation of the Holy Trinity on the Day of Pentecost, when we adorn our churches with boughs representing the ancient oaks, and when we venerate in their midst the icon of the Three Angels, just as our father Abraham venerated it! Carnal descent from Abraham can be of no use to us if we are not regenerated by the waters of Baptism in the Faith of Abraham. And the Faith of Abraham was the Faith in Jesus Christ, as the Lord Himself has said: Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; and he saw it and was glad (St. John 8:56). Such also was the Faith of the Prophet-King David, who heard the heavenly Father speaking to His Consubstantial Son: The Lord said unto my Lord (Ps. 109:1; Acts 2:34). Such was the Faith of the Three Youths in the fiery furnace when they were saved by the Son of God (Dan. 3:25); and of the holy Prophet Daniel, who had the Vision of the two natures of Jesus Christ in the Mystery of the Incarnation when the Son of Man came to the Ancient of Days (Dan. 7:13). This is why the Lord, addressing the (biologically incontestable) posterity of Abraham, said: "If ye were the children of Abraham, ye would do the works of Abraham" (St. John 8:39), and these "works" are to believe on Him Whom God hath sent (St. John 6:29).

Who then are the posterity of Abraham? The sons of Isaac according to the flesh, or the sons of Hagar the Egyptian? Is Isaac or Ishmael the posterity of Abraham? What does the Holy Scripture teach by the mouth of the divine Apostle? Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed: which is Christ (Gal. 3:16). And if ye be Christ Is, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise (Gal. 3:29). It is then in Jesus Christ that Abraham became a father of many nations (Gen. 17:5; Rom. 4:17). After such promises and such certainties, what meaning does carnal descent from Abraham have? According to Holy Scripture, Isaac is considered as the seed or posterity, but only as the image of Jesus Christ. As opposed to Ishmael (the son of Hagar; Gen. 16:1ff), Isaac was born in the miraculous "freedom" of a sterile mother, in old age and against the laws of nature, similar to our Saviour, Who was miraculously born of a Virgin. He climbed the hill of Moriah just as Jesus climbed Calvary, bearing on his shoulders the wood of sacrifice. An angel delivered Isaac from death, just as an angel rolled away the stone to show us that the tomb was empty, that the Risen One was no longer there. At the hour of prayer, Isaac met Rebecca in the plain and led her into the tent of his mother Sarah, just as Jesus shall meet His Church on the clouds in order to bring Her into the heavenly mansions, the New Jerusalem, the much-desired homeland.

No! We do not in the least have the same God that non-Christians have! The sine qua non for knowing the Father, is the Son: He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me (St. John 14:6,9). Our God is a God Incarnate, Whom we have seen with our eyes, and our hands have touched (1 John 1:1). The immaterial became material for our salvation, as St. John Damascene says, and He has revealed Himself in us. But when did He reveal Himself among the present-day Jews and Moslems, so that we might suppose that they know God? If they have a knowledge of God outside of Jesus Christ, then Christ was incarnate, died, and rose in vain!

No, they do not know the Father. They have conceptions about the Father; but every conception about God is an idol, because a conception is the product of our imagination, a creation of a god in our own image and likeness. For us Christians God is inconceivable, incomprehensible, indescribable, and immaterial, as St. Basil the Great says. For our salvation He became (to the extent that we are united to Him) conceived, described and material, by revelation in the Mystery of the Incarnation of His Son. To Him be the glory unto the ages of ages. Amen. And this is why St. Cyprian of Carthage affirms that he who does not have the Church for Mother, does not have God for Father!

May God preserve us from the Apostasy and from the coming of Antichrist, the preliminary signs of which are multiplying from day to day. May He preserve us from the great affliction which even the elect would not be able to bear without the Grace of Him Who will cut short these days. And may He preserve us in the "small flock," the "remainder according to the election of Grace," so that we like Abraham might rejoice at the Light of His Face, by the prayers of the Most Holy Mother of God and Ever-Virgin Mary, of all the heavenly hosts, the cloud of witnesses, prophets, martyrs, hierarchs, evangelists, and confessors who have been faithful unto death, who have shed their blood for Christ, who have begotten us by the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the waters of Baptism. We are their sons — weak, sinful, and unworthy, to be sure; but we will not stretch forth our hands toward a strange god! Amen.

Father Basile Sakkas

La Foi Transmise, April 5, 1970